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Senor Fabuloso Inner circle 1243 Posts |
Great idea Jim with the "pictures" and posters. THANKS
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jimgerrish Inner circle East Orange, NJ 3209 Posts |
It was part of a Wiz Kid routine I called "Picture This." Some Wiz Kids (Adults now) are still using it so it won't appear in The Wizards' Journal until they all give their consent. It will need a new name because Richard Sanders is currently using the name "Picture This" for one of his effects (nothing like the one I described).
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Reuben Dunn Inner circle Has a purple ribbon wraped around my 1592 Posts |
I am suprised that no one has mentioned Chuck Hickok's memory postcard. The link here will help.
https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/view......c=391210 His "Mentalism Inc." book ranks, IMO next to Cassidy given the materials that he uses for his effects. I can think of another effect, but would need to discuss it elsewhere away from prying eyes. |
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Chris K Inner circle 2544 Posts |
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On Mar 14, 2019, Reuben Dunn wrote: It was mentioned in the third post to this thread. |
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Senor Fabuloso Inner circle 1243 Posts |
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Aaron Vlack Regular user 102 Posts |
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On Mar 12, 2019, Magic.J.Manuel wrote: http://mentalpostcards.blogspot.com/ |
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MichaelCGM Inner circle Oklahoma City 2286 Posts |
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On Mar 12, 2019, Mindpro wrote: Mindpro, with all due respect, while I respect the comment that mentalism is not part of the art of theatrical magic as your opinion, I do not accept it as fact. Simply asserting that is does not make it so. I would suggest that both magicians and mentalists are performing their craft before an audience with the intention of entertaining by convincing the audience to suspend their disbelief and accept what they are seeing as somehow genuine. The vast majority of recognized “mentalists” use many of the same tools and methodologies* used by magicians but script their performance to further misdirect the audience’s perception of what is occurring, while trying to convey the perception that mentalism does not employ those tools and methods. A direct analogy is that of painting. There are numerous styles and interpretations of the art but the artists are still members of the same art… painting, as opposed to sculpture or writing. Whether modernism, impressionism, cubism or surrealism, they are, nonetheless members of the art of painting. They use the same tools and have the same goals. My comment regarding “attitude” was directed to your need to use Jim’s obviously sarcastic comment to take a swipe at those who identify as “magicians.” It had nothing to do with the concepts of attitude vs understanding. I stand by my comment that such assertions only divide. If you wish to pursue this further, start a new thread or PM me, since I don’t want to further derail this thread. *NOTE: I did not mention said tools and methods since Penny is not a secure area for such details. |
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10585 Posts |
Good for you. I hope that made you feel better.
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
The confusion lies in, ironically enough, some of the classic texts... Where there's a "mental" section in between silks and ropes...
Kinky! And even in the jinx, there's a lot of card tricks pretending to be mentalism. But no one talks about that, but they should. And yes, obviously it's a different age and time, things change because of the outside world. Which also means some of the old school classics and their claims, also sometimes need to update and move with the times. A back to the postcards, I know what I wrote sounded mean, but there you go... Its just my opinion. Follow the logic of the props you introduce and be as honest as you can about them. Does it really make sense to use postcards in the context of your routine? Why thos particular postcards? Why is there a limit and so on... The 50 states one seems like a stronger logic than some others I've seen. But then again, I can think of more interesting things than just forcing a state with them when you consider the logic and nature of why you buy postcards.
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Dr Ross Loyal user Lincoln, UK 203 Posts |
Could you do OOTW wit postcards, or similar type routine (like Split Reality)?
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
Ross, what's the logic to it? I'm not saying there isn't one, but asking you what yours is...
Someone is seperating countries, why are you getting them to do it? How can they do it? What skill or power is in play? Again, you may not care about all that...
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MichaelCGM Inner circle Oklahoma City 2286 Posts |
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On Mar 14, 2019, IAIN wrote: Kudos, IAIN. Well stated. |
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
So that's why I said there were no card tricks suitable... Because the plots and especially the handling have to be miles apart from that card trick... Otherwise it'll look and feel very odd...
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Sudo Nimh Inner circle 1866 Posts |
Chris Philpott's French Postcards makes a lot of sense.
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Magic.J.Manuel Special user I have danced upon 663 Posts |
One premise for magically separating the cards is to see if the spectator can "sense" the East coast from the West cost states. Another story line maybe the AAA person was sorting them to create a road trip and want to group them.
Anyway Iain, you say, "But then again, I can think of more interesting things than just forcing a state with them when you consider the logic and nature of why you buy postcards." So what is a better situation to use for this routine?
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Dr Ross Loyal user Lincoln, UK 203 Posts |
Good point Iain. But I think with a bit of reasoned and creative thinking, someone could come up with an appropriate premise. An example that comes to mind is a spectator-as-mindreader effect. You state that you have some postcards - some of which you've been to and others you have not. They go through them and you apparently think of whether you have been there or not. The participant then puts each postcard into the pile they feel is correct.
End result = they separate them perfectly (perhaps evidenced by a message you wrote and signed on the back of the 'Visited' postcards and a blank back on the 'Not Visited' pile). You could then move forward and ask them to think of a country from the 'Visited' pile. You then read their mind (e.g., using Reese's method from Navigator). This example would fit your point about making the props fit the context. I'm not saying I'd do this, but simply that it could be done. With that said, it involves forcing a method to fit an effect, whereas I think the reverse is a better approach to creating a routine. - Ross edit: I've just seen that Magic.J.Manuel has some similar ideas.
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
Yeah, so... And I'm not being picky or anything, just talking...
What power or ability would be in play for that first part? How and why could someone suddenly do this amazing thing? For me, thinking about this kinda stuff helps strengthen what we do, and worst case scenario, points out weaknesses... So it's a win win as far as I'm concerned..
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
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On Mar 14, 2019, Magic.J.Manuel wrote: Again think about postcards, not just the fronts. And what people tend to do with postcards once they buy them.
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Magic.J.Manuel Special user I have danced upon 663 Posts |
People buy postcards for different reasons. Maybe buying one while traveling to a destination and sending it home saying, "Wish you were here," or maybe buying a whole set of themed destinations to use to document a bucket list trip. Hallmark sells a "Bucket List Kit" that you write the items on cards and place them in a bucket so when you want something to do you can pick one out of the bucket and check it off the list. The Desired State set has some states listed on the back so when you do go through that state you could check it off, but today we can use these cards as a lie detector to see which state is really on the front of the card from reading a few of the names on the list. Hands off and sight unseen by the entertainer.
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9981 Posts |
Why wouldn't the "French Post Cards" effect be considered as mentalism by an audience? The suggested script is even of ESP
It could certainly be presented as such.
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