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Just a quick observation, of all the 155 categories on the Café, Not Very Magical, Still is the most popular. Popularity here being defined not as the total of topics, but rather the total of replies (posts).
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NVMS is the great leveler. Anybody can post their opinion here regardless of their skill level.
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On Mar 14, 2019, Mike Gainor wrote:
NVMS is the great leveler. Anybody can post their opinion here regardless of their skill level.

And most of them do.
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If only it counted towards post count...
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If only it counted towards post count...


This is a magic board. NVMS is offered as a courtesy to give everyone a little breather and allow them to express themselves. That is why posts in this forum do not count.
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I love NVMS, even though I knew nothing about the post count policy. (I do now, thank you imgic and Dave.)

This forum has some wonderful and entertaining content and am truly glad it exists. As the stats show, it's the most popular on the Café so it's definitely an important forum.
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On Mar 14, 2019, imgic wrote:
If only it counted towards post count...


This is a magic board. NVMS is offered as a courtesy to give everyone a little breather and allow them to express themselves. That is why posts in this forum do not count.


It was a joke...many times it’s been mentioned how much some folks post, but their counts never change.
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On Mar 15, 2019, Dave Scribner wrote:
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On Mar 14, 2019, imgic wrote:
If only it counted towards post count...


This is a magic board. NVMS is offered as a courtesy to give everyone a little breather and allow them to express themselves. That is why posts in this forum do not count.


As you well know, I find this particular point of view to be a bit off. We are particpating in the forums of the Magic Café, regardless of which forum we are participating in, and our participation makes this place what it is: a place for magicians (or connoiseurs of magic) to meet and chat and learn and...yes...take a little breather. But we're HERE and not somewhere else, and not counting the posts gives a misleading picture of who and how much a member is participating. And that's simply interesting information.

There are a few members (Tommy and Danny and Jon, for example) who should get some kind of gold medal or something for participating way beyond the call of duty (of magic).

Tommy? 13,000+ posts in this forum (over 15K in the forums that count).
Danny? 14,000+ posts in this forum (and pushing 20K in the forums that count).
Jon? 6,000+ posts in this forum (and the alltime leader in posts at the Magic Café, just a day or two short of 27K posts).

These, Dave, are the life's blood of the Magic Café, and it counts. They count. Their posts count, regardless of where or when or in what forum.

I ask you this, with all due respect: what is the point of having a post count? And what's the point of writing something like "eternal order" after the names of those who have thousands of posts? The point is to count participation, not to count "magical contributions" to the forum.

Technically, the forum belongs to Steve. But the more subtle truth is that the forum belongs to us, the participants, who come by every day and sniff the coffee and check out something magical and then check out something not so magical, and make this place what it is.

It's time to count our posts in every forum, and not just those that seem to have to do with "magic". All of these forums have to do with something bigger, something more interesting, something worth thinking about: the possibilities of "friendship" in the Internet.

We are at the Magic Café, not Facebook or Instagram or Twitter. We like it here. Give us credit for that.
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Interesting...

I think the response will be that it prevents new members from gaining access to the sales/secret sections by 'shooting the breeze'. As the post wont be meaningful.

But, then the real question would be then does it matter? A decade ago there were not many places you could get access to used magic. Today there are several on FB alone; which many don't have any validation before joining. YouTube tutorials/exposure, multiple How To sites, and Amazon selling everything under the sun take away the exclusiveness of belonging.

Post count doesn't always relay knowledge or expertise; as it could simply mean that person has a lot of free time.
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I think the response will be that it prevents new members from gaining access to the sales/secret sections by 'shooting the breeze'. As the post wont be meaningful


The rule could be that NVMS posts only count after your first 50 are in place.

But really, I'd rather not know how much time I spent here. Some things it's better not to know. Smile
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Oooooh... how about making access to NVMS a 50 post count requirement too? Smile
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I have never looked at my post count.

But I bet I hold the record for least helpful content to post ratio.

I also have to be in the hunt for typo leader. I am very proud of that.

I have actually never understood why they count the poats at all.
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On Mar 25, 2019, Mike Gainor wrote:
Oooooh... how about making access to NVMS a 50 post count requirement too? Smile


A truly interesting idea.

Danny, regarding your participation: you more or less make my point when you say that many (dozens? hundreds? thousands? Smile ) of your posts don't contribute to magic.

What I'm claiming is that your PRESENCE here contributes to the MAGIC Café. Maybe mine does, too. Maybe all of us who come here every day should be judged not by the color of our skin but the content of our character....

Oh wait! I was being silly. Maybe my silliness has been a contribution to the Café, too! (I've been told so, literally hundreds of times. And in many of the forums other than this one.)

Not Very Magical Still is a forum at the MAGIC Café, and nowhere else. It's time to see that we're all friends here, and not friends somewhere else.

RANT ON!

People would find it hard to believe the friendships I have made here. I have spoken--through PMs here, through emails, through Facebook--with several people who have helped me, encouraged me, flattered and criticized me (in a "helpful criticism" kind of way), and have enriched my life. I enjoy the Magic Café, and have done so for over a decade, and appreciate Steve and Dave (with whom I also have a kind of Internet friendship) and the other moderators (like Tom, who I also call a friend). And it's a simple truth that this place became bigger and better than anyone would have thought.

This thread points out that the Not Very Magical Still forum is a great success. Not just that, but perhaps the greatest success of the Magic Café for looking at the Internet in terms of friendship. It's time to recognise that.

(JEFF belongs to the "Eternal Order"! I have over 10,000 posts at the Café. But 7,000 of them are HERE, where I practice friendship among magicians and fellow lovers of magic.

So just change the rules and make me a member of the "Eternal Order." Alternatively, ask me to participate in a Q and A to make me a VIP. I probably deserve that, too. You people still haven't figured out why people like me are what keeps this forum alive. Give me some credit.

:))

But the point of this rant is this: rules were made back in the day, and there seems to be a reluctance to change any rules. Post count rules--50 posts to learn the secrets!--have outlived their usefulness. Likewise, the rule that doesn't count posts toward the 50-post-rule has also outlived it's usefulness. Making a change just means aknowledging that a change might be helpful. It wouldn't constitute a confession of guilt or incompetence, but a willingness to learn and grow--which is the essence of the appeal of magic.

Facebook won't destroy the Magic Café. But it has destroyed at least three other magic-oriented forums I have belonged to. They were too small, perhaps too expensive, too obscure. But dead they are.

Let's make the Café as healthy as possible, because we want to keep it.

RANT OFF!
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How do you know how many posts you've made at NVMS?
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And this category is on life support.

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On Mar 26, 2019, magicfish wrote:
How do you know how many posts you've made at NVMS?


Click on [My Profile] at the top of this page. It will show you your posts including non-countable ones.

Alas, it will tell you nothing about the deleted ones...


*Better Plan: search for your name using the advanced search function. Put your username only in the search by username box. It will return your posts and the total number of posts.
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On Mar 26, 2019, magicfish wrote:
How do you know how many posts you've made at NVMS?


You have made 2,729 post in NVMS.

Do an advance search, input your user name, and select NVMS (instead of all forums). Click search and the total will be at the top of the page "Showing 1 - 25 of 2729.
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Landmark edited while I was posting Smile
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7,435! Wow! What a waste of time.
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