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Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts |
Many thanks for these helpful tips, Rafael. I appreciate your taking the time to write. To paraphrase:
1. The apparent carelessness during the third and fourth beats "erases" any suspicion that may have been created on beat 2; 2. Wall as exercise to keep to keep one arm still (I think I'm doing pretty well at this, but I love exercises like this and will try the wall to be sure); 3. Very slight pause to display the card, thus emphasizing the display of the card rather than the motions that led up to the display. It's nice to have an example, relevant to something I'm currently working on, of Ascanio's final actions vs. in-transit actions. I look forward to working on these points as I continue to learn the count. Best Regards, Bob |
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montanna40 Loyal user 252 Posts |
EC is something I would love to do
But tried and failed many times. But I try the little drill suggested As there is so many good tricks I want to use this with But can’t get this down smoothly Fingers crossed this will be it |
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Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts |
Montanna,
EC is a wonderful and versatile sleight. I'm not much past beginner, and my EC still needs work, but the following *may* be useful as a supplement to Rafael Benatar's ideas. 1. Learn the sleight from Ian Kendall's book, Basic Training (lybrary.com). In his first chapter, he does a beautiful job of teaching the different parts of the sleight one at a time, with practice exercises. Then he has an exercise in which you put it all together. That's the book I learned from after a lot of looking around and playing around with other sources. 2. Then be prepared to spend lots and lots of time, quite possibly months, making the sleight work well and without thinking in your own hands, and adjusting Kendall's handling if you wish. Two sources for the handling I'm using now, which isn't all that different from Kendall's: a) Roberto Giobbi's Card College (Volume 2 or 3), and the accompanying DVD's (now downloads from his site, I think; make sure you get the ones that show Giobbi speaking to the camera, not the silent ones that show close-ups of someone's hands). Try out different hand positions and see what works best for you. And (b) Liam Montier's DVD, The Elmsley Count Project. The latter is two disks, the first showing the basic sleight broken down nicely, and the second showing how to do some really nice tricks. Hope this helps. Bob |
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Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts |
P. S. Don't cross your fingers *while* doing the count. (Just kidding.)
Bob |
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Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts |
Another P. S. Claudio suggested using the left middle finger instead of forefinger on Beat 1. That didn't work well for my hand, but in trying it, I discovered something that *did* work for me: I hold the packet with the near left corner near the bottom of my hand, about where you'd classic palm a coin. That makes it easy use the left forefinger to slide the card to the left, with that part of the palm acting as a pivot. The forefinger is somewhat to the left of the outer right corner of the top card.
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magicwiia Regular user 120 Posts |
I'm still ham-handedly fumbling around with an EC. I try to watch those who do it smoothly and replicate what they do. Here is an example of someone who I think as is smooth as glass in his EC counts. I'll slow this YouTube video to 1/4 speed and play it over and over again and watch for the subtleties.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K8nZyu7ds4 It doesn't hurt that the rest of his card-handling skills are extraordinary. |
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Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts |
What a fun trick! Sort of a souped-up wild card routine, I guess? I didn't know that it was possible to slow the speed, so I've learned something. (For those who don't know, click on the "settings" icon just below the video.) Watching videos of master magicians at one-quarter speed strikes me as a good idea for learning all kinds of things.
One other suggestion: Learn Color Monte. It's a great packet trick, but with only three cards. One of the two sleights is a not-*too*-distant cousin of the EC, but everything is much easier. So if you can master CM then you may find the EC less formidable. BTW, Does anyone know where this trick is available for sale? I couldn't find it. |
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Chris Inner circle lybrary.com 1177 Posts |
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On Jul 20, 2019, Bob G wrote: Those "someone's hands" are Giobbi's.
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Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts |
Thanks, Chris; I suspected that. I personally haven't found those disks very useful -- the only of Giobbi's products I've felt that way about. I love the others. But maybe I'm missing something about the utility of the silent disks?
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mlippo Inner circle Trieste (Italy) 1227 Posts |
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On Jul 21, 2019, Bob G wrote: Bob G, I think those videos are clearly meant as a tool to add to the Card College books that explain that particular technique. I agree that just the videos are useless in that case. Mark |
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Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts |
I see what you're saying, Mark -- the silent videos aren't meant to be used in isolation. Next time I refer to the CC books I'll see if there's a corresponding silent video.
Bob |
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Chris Inner circle lybrary.com 1177 Posts |
The full story is that I shot these videos with Giobbi for the ebook versions of volume 1 and 2 of Card College, where they are embedded inside the PDF. Then some of the folks who had the printed books wanted the videos, too, without having to purchase the ebooks. So we released just the videos on DVDs. If you have the printed books, pop the DVD into your DVD player and navigate to the relevant chapter while you are reading the book. The videos bring the moves to life, but purely by themselves without the book they aren't very useful.
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Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts |
Thanks for clearing this up, Chris. I had no idea . I bought the DVD's that you're talking about before I'd even heard of Lybrary.com and was mystified. I hope I haven't insulted you; if so, it was unintentional. As I think you know, I'm a big fan of Lybrary.
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Chris Inner circle lybrary.com 1177 Posts |
No offense taken.
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Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts |
Good.
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