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R2 Special user 935 Posts |
Hey there Francisco! Nice 2 c u!
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magicaldj1 Regular user Madison, Wisconsin 122 Posts |
Rey Rey,
Love that music you have on your site. Who is it? Thanks, Andy Lindgren Posted: Dec 22, 2004 1:16am ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- On 2004-10-06 12:39, jlevey wrote: Personally,I feel that a head chopper effect is not appropriate for children. Children, as you know, have difficulty discerning reality from fantasy and the child that becomes the "victim" in the routine, may have agreed initially to vounteer, but as the blade is about to "cut" thru, they may become suddenly terrified and internally want "out" , yet be too embarrased in front of their firends to tell you (the performer). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just curious to what you think here. I saw a magician a few years ago and he had a teenager help him with a head chopper. Do you think that would be an appropriate age range to use? If not what age do you think would be appropriate? Thanks, Andy Lindgren |
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R2 Special user 935 Posts |
Thanks Andy! It is my half ***** attempt at being a musician...It is my original music direct from the Yamaha in my living room to your ears via my website.
I can create a song for your show if you are interested? It is entitled "Secret Tear" I have used volunteers as young as 12 years old albeit, with the permission of the parent. Sometimes it is fun for the children to watch their parents slip into the stocks. I stated previously that I now prefer to use my equipment tech so that I don't have the lag of trying to coax a courageous spectator into the stocks. |
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stephenbanning Regular user United States 178 Posts |
These are some very thoughtful and considerate comments.
I've used chopper effects for some time and still use them occasionally. I think care is very important, but depending on presentation and audience it can be done without a problem. I personally use an adult whom I have talked with prior to the show on most occasions. I ask their permission and explain what will happen. I try to get a ham who will look like they are having fun. However, I still don't do chopper effects for children's shows any more except at a few Halloween parties because it scared certain children in a non-entertaining way and I was afraid they might try to duplicate it themselves with less pleasant results. In regard to Iraq, I don't think there is any real association. My two cents worth. Stephen |
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jlevey Inner circle Montreal, Quebec, Canada 2076 Posts |
Great insights and discussions. Still pertinent even years later.
Best regards. Jonathan
Jonathan
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Kerry Kistler Loyal user Springfield, MO 234 Posts |
Hi gang,
If you are interested I covered this topic in an article I wrote for the Christian Conjurer magazine called "To Chop...or Not to Chop?" (from the Sep/Oct 2006 issue). The article is posted in PDF on my web site at http://www.kistlerministry.org/magic Best, Kerry
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jlevey Inner circle Montreal, Quebec, Canada 2076 Posts |
Thanks Kerry. Your aArticle has valid food for thought.
Joanthan
Jonathan
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SpellbinderEntertainment Inner circle West Coast 3519 Posts |
Kerry, thank you for your insightful article!
Speaking of your “roll of the dice”… I was at the Magic Castle, and a well know veteran performer was in the Parlor. He had a long and gag-filled Arm Chopper routine. He found the perfect assistant (victim) to bring up. A very shy, but very handsome, young man of maybe sixteen years. Well, the magician went full steam ahead, the young man’s arm firmly held, and his wrist in chopper. “On the count of one, two, three… three days ago I lopped the dang hand off…. now, one, two…” The entire audience could tell the young man was in misery, the magician had no clue as he was winking at his audience. Then, to everyone’s horror and shame, a dark wet spot slowly spread over the young man’s pants, larger and larger, till you could see the wetness run down his leg. And still, unheeding, our performer went on…. “I’m fully insured, and you can always use your other hand…haha.” The blade went down with a resounding slam, tears of humiliation and acute embarrassment ran down the teen’s cheeks. “Give him a big hand, he was a great sport” yelled the performer. And went right on to his next funny bit, never noticing the small pool of wet near his feet. Magically, Walt |
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Vlad_77 Inner circle The Netherlands 5829 Posts |
The Guillotine represents a tragic chapter in world history; it also represents the continuing barbarity of capital punishment. The Nazis used the Guillotine on members of the Resistance of the White Rose, and of course, readers of history know of France's infamous Reign of Terror.
Why is it that some find a guillotine an acceptable bit of entertainment but not an Electric Chair? The Gallows? The world is terrifying enough, and the guillotine stands as a monument to humanity's penchant toward barbarity. To make it a comedy piece I believe does an injustice to those executed by it. There is no humour in the machinery of Death. Vlad |
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts |
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On 2007-11-30 02:48, Vlad_77 wrote: Keith Barry, Maurice Fogel, Virgil & Julie, and Dante amongst others have used Gallows in their act. I'm sure someone somewhere has employed an Electric Chair. Death defying feats are a long held tradition in magic, it's part of our archetype of being wonder workers and miracle men. Mankind has always had a morbid fascination with implements of death and destruction. In fact I can think of one widely held belief system that holds a horrible instrument of torture in high reverence. Granted I don't think torture effects in general are a good thing to put into children's shows but they do have their time and place.
"America's Foremost Satirical Magician" -- Jeff McBride.
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Vlad_77 Inner circle The Netherlands 5829 Posts |
Yes, death defying feats have always been part of Magic, I agree. But my point is the symbolism of state sponsored homicide.
Just an aside: When a death certificate is filled out for an executed person, the cause is listed as Homicide. Best, Vlad |
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JasonB Regular user 174 Posts |
Does anyone but me find the humor in a guy named Vlad being AGAINST torture and homicide. I really see Vlad's point. On the other side (and I don't imagine most Guillotine routines do this) the idea and symbolism of "state sponsored homicide" could be an interesting political premise to work from. Perhaps two audience members go through some process, one is found guilty the other innocent even though the reverse is true and known to the audience. Then the guilty (innocent) one is "put to death". Drama, socially relevant, thought provoking.
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