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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21214 Posts |
Warren and Annabel was not well known when they started were they? Certainly not international name. VERY successful for a very long time.
Was Steve Cohn well known before he did how hotel thing?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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thomasR Inner circle 1189 Posts |
Lots of great thoughts.
While I don’t know for a fact, I can’t imagine Copperfields tours were losing money. In fact the Forbes article mentioned Criss Angel and David Blaine being as successful as they were that year (2017-2018) because of touring. Now his resident show might be making more money for him, since he’s not paying for trucking, transportation, etc.... certainly a business case to be made for a resident show. Thanks for all the examples. Lots of great thoughts and ideas here. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21214 Posts |
Matt Schulien, Jim Ryan, eddie Fecter, Ernie Spence, Tom Mullica to add a few. Need more Tom. Please adults are talking.
Thomas I can't imagine he was losing money e either because even with the added expense he has been one of the highest paid entertainers for decades. He certainly did OK touring and if I had to pick a winner and loser in that bet I'd say Wilson was wrong. Copperfield made money touring.
Danny Doyle
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thomasR Inner circle 1189 Posts |
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On Jun 6, 2019, TomBoleware wrote: Dennis Watkins - Magic Parlor in Chicago Noah Wells - Destin FL John Magic - Austin TX Tristan Crist - Lage Geneva WI Terry Evanswood - Pigeon Forge TN Magicians Agency - San Francisco (they have guests but mostly it’s Scott Pepper) |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21214 Posts |
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On Jun 6, 2019, Ken Northridge wrote: This is all too common in the industry. It is what nobody wants to talk about. We see all the puffery and such here when most of the time this is the case. Now mind you there is nothing inherently wrong working at a grocery store. This is not the point I believe you are making at all. Neither am I. Starting out in this business is not fast process regardless of what the books and guru types want to sell you. If it was easy everyone would do it.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10577 Posts |
Yeah, I was thinking my friend Terry Evanswood as well as one of the first to come to mind (pretty much right out of high school, lol), along with Rick Wilcox up in the Wisconsin Dells. Criss Angel when he started his own show in NY. Even in Vegas or Branson Danny Ganns was one of the top headliners yet rarely known outside of this town. Look at all the guys in Branson magic or otherwise, who were/are all unknowns when they came to town, and look at guys like our buddy Doug, Danny, what's he been there 15-20 years now (or more) as a top headliner, staring as a complete unknown?
Point is it was simply an untrue statement. Also, here's where the beauty of 2/4 walls can come in and play a key role is establishing yourself. The common misperception is that 2/4 walls are only for established performers. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21214 Posts |
If we are expanding beyond magic the entire city of Branson can practicality be named! Along with Pigeon Forge and mammy other towns like them.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10577 Posts |
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On Jun 6, 2019, Dannydoyle wrote: So true and also exactly why I often bring up "business models" as a subject no one seems to want to delve into. It can be the sole factor to the success or failure of your business. So many only go as far as the "default" business model and get stuck there, some never realizing there are so many others to choose from which may be far better suited for their vision and business (based on their foundational decisions.) Yes, this is also part of the foundational process I regularly discuss. |
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3162 Posts |
Terry Evanswood is a professional magician who has appeared in live stage shows and on television throughout the United States as well as on international stages.
He has performed professionally since the age of 10. Not hardly a newcomer. All those Danny named were unique and not your average pick a card magician. Still, none named are hardly superstars like Copperfield and those named in the beginning. Tom
The Daycare Magician Book
https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/amazekids/the-daycare-magician/ My Blog - https://boleware.blogspot.com/ |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21214 Posts |
Just never admit you're wrong Tom. Keep going.
News flash Tom. Most those I mentioned are pick a card guys lol. Please let the adults talk.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10577 Posts |
Of course not they are the top of the industry (today), but you are delusional if you think that is how they started. They too were unknowns, which is why this was a ridiculous question.
And other than in close magic circles, Terry was still an unknown (to the public) when he arrived in Pigeon Forge. It comes in handy to have a father who is a bank president to create and finance such opportunities. There are very few "superstars" of magic to the general public. Also, you said "not having a unique reputation" in your original post, never saying anything about a "newcomer" until later. Regardless, two HUGELY different things. It would also be great to stick to the original topic as it is a good one for those who are working performers and operating an entertainment business. |
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3162 Posts |
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On Jun 6, 2019, Mindpro wrote: I completely agree, they didn't start there, and that is excatly what I'm saying. Average will remain average until they break from the rest. Tom
The Daycare Magician Book
https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/amazekids/the-daycare-magician/ My Blog - https://boleware.blogspot.com/ |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21214 Posts |
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On Jun 6, 2019, TomBoleware wrote: When did you say that? And who cares? Please lets not have you drag this ropic info the swamp and drown in line you always do. The original topic is great. You don't know anything about it so please stop. I promise if you stop and start your own thread about your failed magic shop or daycare magic or whatever you want I'll leave it alone. Just stop ruining good topics worry nonsense.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21214 Posts |
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On Jun 5, 2019, thomasR wrote: I am fortunate enough to tour a hypnosis show so busses and trailers are foreign to me! As a matter of fact it is one reason that drew me TO the hypnosis show in the first place. It covers just as big a stage, or as small a stage as available. Load in is not horrible. All these things played into my decision to persue this art. All that money not spent helps. No maintenance of props or trailers, no extra fuel and such. A bag and a microphone. Off topic but it makes touring easier.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3162 Posts |
Danny, I honestly believe that if I said this site was Green, you and Mindpro, would argue that it wasn’t. If you don’t like what I say why can’t you just not comment on it,
and stop the back and forth and derailing the topic. I don’t think you can help not responding to any opinion different than your own. It’s you wanting to be king here that has run everybody away and you are too far gone to see it. 99 Percent of my posts on here (check it) are followed by your smart*** remarks and I'm betting you are to weak not to make another one right here. Tom
The Daycare Magician Book
https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/amazekids/the-daycare-magician/ My Blog - https://boleware.blogspot.com/ |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21214 Posts |
Actually Tom manipulating me like that is not possible. Want to try another tactic?
I did check it. Do you want to make an agreement about your 99% figure? Better yet if you are wrong how about you don't post in this section again? If it is 99% I'll stop posting. I am guessing you are to weak to back up your words. (By "on here" we assume you mean on TMC.) I have trouble not pointing out absurdly incorrect statements I admit to that failing. Perhaps if you made fewer of them you might not be corrected so much. Just try admitting you are wrong just once. Refusing to see the problem and all that.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3162 Posts |
LOL. It took you 11 minutes that time.
Tom
The Daycare Magician Book
https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/amazekids/the-daycare-magician/ My Blog - https://boleware.blogspot.com/ |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21214 Posts |
Like I said Tom please stop derailing this good topic.
And it is funny you trying to do this when it has been proven toy yourself can't help posting. Like for example you can't help answering this, even though you have NOTHING TO CONTRIBUTE. Please send me a PM if you need to keep actng like this. No need to force everyone to read it.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10577 Posts |
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On Jun 6, 2019, TomBoleware wrote: Why drag me into your argument? I was simply stating that your opinion being passed off as fact was incorrect. This site being green is a fact which is correct, which is much different than an incorrect opinion. Nothing to argue about, just setting the record straight. Now thomasR, are you still there? |
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3162 Posts |
Mindpro, since you plainly said in your post , “there is no right or wrong answer to this question” what exactly was wrong with my answer?
Never mind, you’re about as clueless as Danny. Tom
The Daycare Magician Book
https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/amazekids/the-daycare-magician/ My Blog - https://boleware.blogspot.com/ |
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