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magicfish
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As far as helping each other, I have offered no less than 6 techniques in this thread.
All you have done is told us that you've created something better than all of them.

And offered statements like this:

"But sometimes you have to develop something where you can literally tell someone-- what'? you think I turned it over? dude, don't mention the impossible you were rignt in front of the deck. it is impossible to do that. look, etc..... To answer those who give a quick I know how you diddit like a 10 year old when they have no clue."

This is nothing short of magic suicide.
In the true spirit of assisting others, please, don't ever say this to a spectator.
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You are hardheaded. this is a tongue in cheek statement. Did you go past high school?
the point is, if they did suspect it, it would be obvious a turnover was impossible. As for how you know it is original. The same way you would know. It is really not so hard if you have the resources and can look up every variation made.

Look dude, the fact that the invisible deck is still done, with a gimmicked deck, is a sign that yes people did have brains. But they didn't think critically. There is a path magic has to take. It has to jump off always quoting so and so. And think of the spectator. Some of the stuff that passed for great by some of your idols looks like an ape playing with a deck, nervously and quickly. I don't really know spectators who would think magic happened. That is fishy magic, is that what you are content with? I am aiming for people to be *** scared at my magic. To have seen a miracle. Very often I get these reactions. This is a result of thinking of the spectator first. They need a relief from facebook hehe.

Again I respect you. Remember if we were in the same magic club we would be the best of buddies. This online format does not always promote unity first. The written word is more harsh and set in stone. Unlike the comments we would make to each other at a magic club. So let's keep that in mind. I will promise you I will meet you and others at a convention or club and we will have a good time and even a beer perhaps. thanks
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I agree. Asking me if I finished high school is both harsh and impolite.

But we still might be buddies and have a beer at a convention. That is, until you tell me that the magic of Dai Vernon, Ed Marlo, John Scarne, Nate Leipzig, Max Malini, Derek Dingle, Mike Skinner, Bruce Cervon, Larry Jennings, Ricky Jay, looked like an ape playing with a deck.
That is when I would pay my bill and leave.
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"(He, who says to have improved Vernon or Daley, is like
saying he improved Beethoven or Mozart – he’s either a fool or a liar.)"

- Giobbi
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Dear magicfish and countrymaven,


I like and respect you both, and magicfish, you've been a tremendous help to me in my magical progress. But may I respectfully suggest that your quarrel has gone on long enough in public, as it were? Of course you have every right to ignore me and continue in the same vein, but I don't think you're going to reach a resolution, and I don't think your disagreement is instructive anymore. So, for what it's worth, I hope that you will (1) agree to disagree, (2) continue with private messages, or (3) meet at a pub and have that beer together.



Thanks for thinking about it, and I'm looking forward to discussing magic with both of you in the future.


See you,


Bob
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On the core topic, I think a bit more context would help. I can think of a bunch of ways of reversing any old card, since it's not difficult to come up with a routine that puts the heat elsewhere. For example, when people ask to see a trick, they usually expect to be getting ONE trick. So, if you've got a strong trick that relies on a force, then the very performance of that trick ought to offer enough opportunities to reverse a card for the NEXT trick, that relies on a reversed card at the bottom. The challenge would then be to come up with a strong forced card trick that you'd be satisfied opening with in a paid performing context.

There are also ways of getting a reversed card into position if you're starting with your own deck. At the bottom of the deck, you could have an already-reversed card second from the bottom, pull out the deck, flash the bottom casually, then do a milk shuffle, ending with a weave to bring the properly-reversed card to the bottom. This would essentially be angle-proof.

The problem with both the above is that you're reversing an indifferent card, which is perfect for some tricks but irrelevant for others.

As such, more context is needed, and it probably isn't even as simple as knowing more about the card being reversed. Tommy Wonder's Mind Movie feels apropos here -- doing the trick as if you were capable of real magic (no moves, no methods, no nothing) and then studying the conditions and choreography to look for opportunities for deception. Methods in the literature could be listed ad infinitum but they'd be potentially useless without more information about the context of the trick being performed, since the compromises needed to make those methods work might not fit what's needed for the trick in question.
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Sorry Bob, I will not sit idly by while someone tries to tell me that Dai Vernon didn't think critically.
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Personally I have no issue with verbal volleyball. It sometimes helps us all learn. We need to know that there are differing viewpoints. Otherwise we live in echo chambers. The problem I have is when the argument turns to ad-hominem attacks. This is usually when the person makes a good point or undermines yours and all you have left is to attack their character, education or other.

So I say bring on good-spirited debate but if you begin to type something about the person, better to log off instead.
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Agreed Tortuga.
This is a good topic. As long as we remain respectful and avoid personal attacks.
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The great Earl Nelson was partial to Cervon's M.A. Reverse.
I wish I could've seen either of them do it.
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On Jun 24, 2019, magicfish wrote:
The great Earl Nelson was partial to Cervon's M.A. Reverse.
I wish I could've seen either of them do it.


Or NOT seen them do it!

You remind me, it is time for me to go back and read my copy of Variations by Earl Nelson. Great book!
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That is a great book.
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"Personally I have no issue with verbal volleyball. It sometimes helps us all learn. We need to know that there are differing viewpoints. Otherwise we live in echo chambers. The problem I have is when the argument turns to ad-hominem attacks. This is usually when the person makes a good point or undermines yours and all you have left is to attack their character, education or other. So I say bring on good-spirited debate but if you begin to type something about the person, better to log off instead."


Like magicfish, I agree with this. Thanks, Tortuga.
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I agree Bob. Excellent thinking Tortuga. I will try to abide by that. We have to understand there are different mindsets in magic.
One of the "respect the past yet focus on inventing better" another is to "learn from the past almost exclusively". there are some differences that arise between these types of thinking. Almost everything I do in the miracle class (from spec's viewpoint) for me comes from the former viewpoint. For you your miracles may come from the latter. So we need to realize we are wired differently. Great point Tortuga--we should not disrespect the person. I will try to come to this thinking of these differences in approach. thanks
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Thanks to you, too, countrymaven, for your gracious note. Let the party continue!


Bob
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Get a pinky break under card you want to reverse, drop your hands and rub it on your hip to reverse. invisible, only we notice it and literally made for street magic
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Gun Reversal by the godfather

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Didn't see a thing. Nice job
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This is my favorite because it's based on an easy sleight. I haven't tried it in performance or thought about how to get into it. Hold the deck in your left hand, facing toward you so that your spectators cant see the bottom card (the one that's facing you). Do the first step of a BR; then do the second step, but put the half-deck *above* the new top half-deck. The result: the deck is face-down in left hand dealer's grip, but with the bottom card (which was the bottom card at the beginning, too) face up.
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Lee Asher’s TWIST move has always been a solid “go to” sleight for when I need to reverse a card within the deck without drawing undue spectator attention. Practice the move within the context of a packet trick, as intended. Then progressively add cards as you get comfortable with the half pass until you can softly perform the reversal under the cover of any number of cards or even the whole deck. Watch the Asher perform the move and then practice will teach you the correct timing in execution as you casually spread cards to display.
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