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It seems you are confusing Canada with the USA. The monarchy of Canada is at the core of both Canada's federal structure, Westminster-style of parliamentary and constitutional democracy. The monarchy is the foundation of the executive (Queen-in-Council), legislative (Queen-in-Parliament), judicial (Queen-on-the-Bench) branches within both federal and provincial jurisdictions. The sovereign is the personification of the Canadian state and is Queen of Canada as a matter of constitutional law. The current Canadian monarch and head of state is Queen Elizabeth II. All executive authority is vested in the sovereign, executive and authority remains vested in the Crown and is only entrusted by the sovereign to their government. On 9 September 2015, Canadian history events were organised to celebrate her as the "longest-reigning "sovereign" in Canada's modern era.

In the legal systems of almost every country, the ultimate true "owner" of all land is the sovereign, which for a Republic like the USA that is essentially we the people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Canada
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estate_in_land
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The monarch, the state, the people,... call it what you like but look at the economics. Back on topic, please.
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On Jun 30, 2019, tommy wrote:
It seems you are confusing Canada with the USA. The monarchy of Canada is at the core of both Canada's federal structure, Westminster-style of parliamentary and constitutional democracy. The monarchy is the foundation of the executive (Queen-in-Council), legislative (Queen-in-Parliament), judicial (Queen-on-the-Bench) branches within both federal and provincial jurisdictions. The sovereign is the personification of the Canadian state and is Queen of Canada as a matter of constitutional law. The current Canadian monarch and head of state is Queen Elizabeth II. All executive authority is vested in the sovereign, executive and authority remains vested in the Crown and is only entrusted by the sovereign to their government. On 9 September 2015, Canadian history events were organised to celebrate her as the "longest-reigning "sovereign" in Canada's modern era.

In the legal systems of almost every country, the ultimate true "owner" of all land is the sovereign, which for a Republic like the USA that is essentially we the people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Canada
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estate_in_land

No. This has nothing to do with the U.S.A. as they have neither crown land nor a Monarchy.

Canada does have a Queen. Her father, the king, couldn't sell the land because by constitution, it MUST stay with the crown. It wasnt his to sell, neither is it the queens to sell. It must, by law, pass to her heir, forever, or as long as we by vote, retain a monarchy. It belongs to the crown, not the individual who wears it. Her name is on the deed on OUR behalf.
And thanks to the execution of Charles I and the Restorstion of His son, Charles II, the crown is the people and the people are the crown.
Hence, the land is public land.
This is not opinion. It is Constitution.
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The point you are missing is that land is not sold. An estate agent sells the estate, while the land remains the property of the sovereign and in Canada that is not the people, it is the Queen.
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Once again , incorrect. It is the crown. You must separate the individual from the institution. The Queen is a lady named Elizabeth. The crown will remain. The crown is the people.
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"While the power for these acts stems from the Canadian people through the constitutional conventions of democracy,[29] executive authority remains vested in the Crown and is only entrusted by the sovereign to their government on behalf of the people, underlining the Crown's role in safeguarding the rights, freedoms, and democratic system of government of Canadians, and reinforcing the fact that "governments are the servants of the people and not the reverse".[30][31] Thus, within a constitutional monarchy the sovereign's direct participation in any of these areas of governance is limited, with the sovereign normally exercising executive authority only on the advice of the executive committee of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada, with the sovereign's legislative and judicial responsibilities largely carried out through parliamentarians as well as judgesand justices of the peace.[30] The Crown today primarily functions as a guarantor of continuous and stable governance and a nonpartisan safeguard against abuse of power,[34] the sovereign acting as a custodian of the Crown's democratic powers and a representation of the "power of the people above government and political parties".
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The Crown is a legal term used to describe the Monarch. Monarch Liz holds 16 Crowns as head of the 16 Commonwealth Realms.
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Correct, until she dies. The crown doesn't die. Unless the people kill it. Again.
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If the people of England were to abolish its Monarchy then the Ex Queen of England would still own the land of Canada and the land of 14 other countries. She could come back to England with 15 armies, kill all the English people and replace them with kangaroos.
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Incorrect. Our Queen is a ceremonial figure head. She cannot raise an army- anywhere.
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I, [name], do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada, Her Heirs and Successors. So help me God.


Taken by members of federal, provincial, and municipal police forces, members of the Canadian Armed Forces, and, in some provinces, all lawyers upon admission to the bar. The Oath of Allegiance also makes up the first portion of the Oath of Citizenship, the taking of which is a requirement of obtaining Canadian nationality.

The Queen as Sovereign is Head of the Armed Forces. ... The Queen is the only person to declare war and peace. This dates back from when the Monarch was responsible for raising, maintaining and equipping the Army and Navy. Today, this power can only be exercised on the advice of Ministers.
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The crown is the people


What does that sentence mean? I have trouble extracting any meaning from it.
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If all the Kings army and all the men couldn't extract any meaning from anything magicfish has said then we are bound to have trouble.
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On Jul 1, 2019, tommy wrote:
I, [name], do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada, Her Heirs and Successors. So help me God.


Taken by members of federal, provincial, and municipal police forces, members of the Canadian Armed Forces, and, in some provinces, all lawyers upon admission to the bar. The Oath of Allegiance also makes up the first portion of the Oath of Citizenship, the taking of which is a requirement of obtaining Canadian nationality.

The Queen as Sovereign is Head of the Armed Forces. ... The Queen is the only person to declare war and peace. This dates back from when the Monarch was responsible for raising, maintaining and equipping the Army and Navy. Today, this power can only be exercised on the advice of Ministers.

She is our ceremonial head of state. This way, our head of state doesn't change every 4 years.
For a bill to become law, it must have royal assent. A signature from the sovereign. Is she allowed to refuse? No. Then why bother?
It is tradition. It is ceremonial. Just like her command of the armed forces.
She cannot interfere with affairs of state.
Let alone raise an army.
This is getting silly.
Good day Tommy.
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Only the monarch has the power to declare war and peace, under the royal prerogative. In 1999 politicians here, as a matter of fact, tried to take that power away from Queen Elizabeth II and Her Majesty as a matter of fact refused to give her consent, so they couldn’t even debate doing it. But according to magicfish, Queen Elizabeth II is merely our ceremonial head of state who cannot refuse to sign bills, cannot declare war, raise armies or do anything else she isn’t told to do by magicfish and his mob of pitchfork wielding villagers.
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Not by me Tommy. By the Prime Minister and his/her ministers, who govern the country, who are democratically elected, and represent and are accountable to, the voters.
That, my friend, is a constitutional monarchy.
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As I recall as King of England George VI declared war on Nazi Germany on 3 September 1939 and as King of Canada George VI declared war on Nazi Germany on 10 September 1939, therein raising two of his armies against the Nazis. Queen Elizabeth, on the other hand, has not declared war on anybody yet. We have not been at war since World War II. Strangely, that which we call the war with Iraq, for example, was not a war but merely a military intervention.

Anyhow, more importantly, when you said “The last word is yours now” tell me my friend: were you lying?
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Well, if I'm reading this right, "crown land," is similar to Federal Land in USA in that it is managed by the government, in the interest of the people.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_land#Nova_Scotia

It's not a perfect analogy, as Federal land can't be leased or developed other than as park land.

I don't think it qualifies as "people's land." You can't decide, on your own, to homestead a few hundred acres.
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Old woman!


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Man!


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Man, sorry. What knight lives in that castle over there?


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I'm thirty seven.


Tommy:
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What?


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I'm thirty seven -- I'm not old!


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Well, I can't just call you `Man'.


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Well, you could say `magicfish'.


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Well, I didn't know you were called `magicfish.'


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Well, you didn't bother to find out, did you?


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I did say sorry about the `old woman,' but from the behind you looked--


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What I object to is you automatically treat me like an inferior!


Tommy:
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Well, I AM king...


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Oh king, eh, very nice. An' how'd you get that, eh? By exploitin' the workers -- by 'angin' on to outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the economic an' social differences in our society! ....If there's ever going to be any progress--


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magicfish, there's some lovely filth down here. Oh -- how d'you do?


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How do you do, good lad. I am Tommy, King of the Britons. Whose castle is that?


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King of the who?


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The Britons.


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Who are the Britons?


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Well, we all are. we're all Britons and I am your king.


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I didn't know we had a king. I thought we were an autonomous collective.


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You're fooling yourself. We're living in a dictatorship. ..... A self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes--


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Oh there you go, bringing class into it again.


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That's what it's all about if only people would--


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Please, please good people. I am in haste. Who lives in that castle?


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No one lives there.


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Then who is your lord?


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We don't have a lord.


Tommy:
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What?


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I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.


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Yes.


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But all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting.


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Yes, I see.


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By a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs,--


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Be quiet!


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--but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more--


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Be quiet! I order you to be quiet!


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Order, eh -- who does he think he is?


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I am your king!


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Well, I didn't vote for you.


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You don't vote for kings.


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Well, 'ow did you become king then?


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The Lady of the Lake, [angels sing] her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I, Tommy, was to carry Excalibur. [singing stops] That is why I am your king!


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Listen -- strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.


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Be quiet!


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Well you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!


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Shut up!


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I mean, if I went around sayin' I was an empereror just because some moistened bink had lobbed a scimitar at me they'd put me away!


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Shut up! Will you shut up!


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Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system.


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Shut up!


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Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! --- HELP! HELP! I'm being repressed!


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Bloody peasant!


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Oh, what a give away. Did you here that, did you here that, eh?.... That's what I'm on about -- did you see him repressing me, you saw it didn't you?
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