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On Jul 17, 2019, The Duster wrote:

Hmm quoting seven words and not taking the context of the paragraph - crazy

But then to suggest I’m bullying ppl into going back on their word.... when I argued the exact opposite. Nice

Well, that IS the context of the post. In fact, you stated or implied it three times in your post.

And for clarity’s sake, I specifically did not say “you” in my second paragraph. A detail which YOU specifically overlooked. See how that works. The second paragraph is to “ones” in general. If you took that as personally directed at you, I apologize for the lack of clarity.
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Mine has arrived with accessory pack ! Can’t wait to get started.
Thanks again for the outstanding service.
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Really sorry to have missed out on this. I got caught out by a classic piece of misdirection. Had this in my sights when, suddenly, Phasma became available. Which one to choose? Left? Right? Luckily Michael's copy on his website reassured me that they had chosen the magic "500 copies" as it was low enough to be a limited edition but high enough to be available for a few months for those cautious stragglers who hadn't yet arrived at the party. Phew! Phasma it was then.
Still, it is not the end of the world. I like Tequila Hustler and would still use the villian/hero idea which I think was suggested by Peter Turner. When you get to use two spectators it allows them to independently decide if they want to play the villain or hero. You could then have either two truth tellers, two liars or one of each. Even the participants don't know what the other one is. A random spectator can choose who I ask the first or second question to and from that I am able to reveal who has the coin. It's a great plot, plays well and is completely impromptu. Dare I say it is better than a straightforward which hand?
And . . . there is Flux. Not an off the cuff effect but its a great tool with more than one use.
Obviously would not have wanted to miss out on this effect but can console myself that I can still do a great which hand (thanks Colin Mcleod) while munching on sour grapes and keeping a straight face.
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Really sorry to have missed out on this. I got caught out by a classic piece of misdirection. Had this in my sights when, suddenly, Phasma became available. Which one to choose? Left? Right? Luckily Michael's copy on his website reassured me that they had chosen the magic "500 copies" as it was low enough to be a limited edition but high enough to be available for a few months for those cautious stragglers who hadn't yet arrived at the party. Phew! Phasma it was then.
Still, it is not the end of the world. I like Tequila Hustler and would still use the villian/hero idea which I think was suggested by Peter Turner. When you get to use two spectators it allows them to independently decide if they want to play the villain or hero. You could then have either two truth tellers, two liars or one of each. Even the participants don't know what the other one is. A random spectator can choose who I ask the first or second question to and from that I am able to reveal who has the coin. It's a great plot, plays well and is completely impromptu. Dare I say it is better than a straightforward which hand?
And . . . there is Flux. Not an off the cuff effect but its a great tool with more than one use.
Obviously would not have wanted to miss out on this effect but can console myself that I can still do a great which hand (thanks Colin Mcleod) while munching on sour grapes and keeping a straight face.


I think Timon's method is actually better since you can use the Tequila Hustler presentation BUT you can actually tell who is actually lying or telling the truth for real. This also replaces Fl*x for the method for which hand AND you can use Colin's "coding" system with it to force a outcome/prediction. It's really really really good. LoL.
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I have an electronic option, but Timon’s is a better method. You can also use various other objects with Timon’s. I’m actually using mine as a backup whilst I work Timon’s method until I can get it down 100%.
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Don't overlook Kieron Johnson's suggestion of doing this with no object at all and just having the participant imagine an object in their hand. Trust me, it is superb Smile

Best Wishes Michael
As a mentalist you must always ask yourself what if! And throughout your life you should seek to ask and answer this question over and over again, only then will your wildest dreams become a reality!

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I'm pretty bummed out about missing out on this myself but I always think there is a bright side. in this particular case its knowing that a non gimmicked version is possible and trying to come up with a methodology of your own. I remember just before Garret Thomas released Ring Thing, I saw footage of it and was burned so badly. I started trying to work out a method and it was different from Garrett's but I came up with a solution that I use now in my own ring routine. Maybe one day you will be releasing a limited run of a book on your take of the which hand concept...🧐
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in this particular case its knowing that a non gimmicked version is possible....


Indeed.

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Just to note: Prevaricator also describes ways to do which hand and the main routine without asking any questions or using verbal subterfuge. It's a massive project and most of it usually overlooked with MANY contributors with wonderful methods and ideas. That said, I haven't yet had a chance to check out Timon's new work, but knowing him, I'm sure its wonderful and worth your time and study.
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On Jul 17, 2019, magikcid wrote:
in this particular case its knowing that a non gimmicked version is possible....


Indeed.

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On Jun 29, 2019, Patrick Redford wrote:

Just to note: Prevaricator also describes ways to do which hand and the main routine without asking any questions or using verbal subterfuge. It's a massive project and most of it usually overlooked with MANY contributors with wonderful methods and ideas. That said, I haven't yet had a chance to check out Timon's new work, but knowing him, I'm sure its wonderful and worth your time and study.


I agree, I love Prevaricator, Flux, Tequila Hustler, V2...the more weapons the better
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Don't overlook Kieron Johnson's suggestion of doing this with no object at all and just having the participant imagine an object in their hand. Trust me, it is superb Smile

Best Wishes Michael




where can I find it?
thanks a lot
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Anyone have Which Hand Method & Philosophy by Timon Krause that they no longer want? I missed getting the book direct from Mind FX. PM if you do.
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Don't overlook Kieron Johnson's suggestion of doing this with no object at all and just having the participant imagine an object in their hand. Trust me, it is superb Smile

Best Wishes Michael


ok. I misunderstood. you mean doing this with krause method but nothing in hand
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I haven't had time to read through more of the book. Tonight I'm starting on the section where he gives a breakdown of the script for You Have No Choice. So I've read through and have been working on the actual method taught in the book.

I'm actually curious why other customers have not chimed in more about this release. I personally am very fond of it and even more impressed with the guidance he provides in regards to crafting one's own effect and routine (that can be applied to everything you do, not just Which Hand, much of the book feels like the Which Hand method is a trojan horse to get people in the door to learn magic/mentalism theory, the method itself is superb though).
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Timon’s performance on fool us was absolutely great , I have no idea how it’s done but my speculation is drawn from the fact you can do it with an imaginary object and no questions asked .
That leads me to think probably incorrectly that the method is posture or hand position based .
I have seen a few of the top ‘ which hand ‘ specialists at Blackpool in the Ruskin demonstrating hand posture tells .
That is what at least my speculation is based upon .
Whenever I try to create an effect I start at the finish ( what I want to achieve ) and work backwards as cleanly as possible to the start .
It’s the same when I speculate on an effect as well .
Just my two cents Gaz 🙂
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I missed getting the book too. Please PM if anyone is willing to sell.
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Hi guys. For those who still want info about the book, here is my opinion.
I received it and still not have time to read the whole book but about half of it. There is not only the method but also many good advices by Timon from his practice.
The method is simple and very clever. I believe it can be close to 100 percent sure so I am eager to test it very soon, but first want to read whole book.

I know almost all possible methods for Which Hand effect (electronic, with props and propless) and even have one my own propless method useful also for imaginary objects, so from my experience I can say that the method by Timon is practical, interesting and looks useful. Krause explains all details and nuances very well. So I am happy with the book and recommend it.
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So the package arrived and oh what a package it was. Firstly, Michael wraps things up good and tight with what appears to be half a role of packing tape, which gives you a lovely challenge before you get to the good stuff. This if anything heightened the anticipation as I wrestled with the tape (in fairness, if I'd got scissors rather than using a door key, it would have been easy Smile

I finally got in and was greeted with a book which is beautiful. I know that's not important to everyone but its important to me and it really is a lovely looking book. However, I guess you aren't interested in Michael's package or what the book looks like, so the review itself. I'll start with the TL:DR version - Superb!

One criticism of some books is they don't give enough background to how the trick evolved, some do too much. This book strikes a perfect balance and introduces me to Timons' writing style, which I really enjoy. It's clear, it's concise and it's witty enough to hold my interest as the subject matter could otherwise be very dry. I thoroughly enjoyed reading it.

The method is brilliant and whilst I've not tried this in a full performance, I can see it being sure fire with a little practice and the accessory pack really helps you quickly get used to what you are looking for. I currently use flux and I am 95% certain this will replace that method. Firstly because electronics can and do fail and secondly because I actually think this is a cleaner way to achieve the same outcome. I do not say that lightly because flux is an incredibly powerful and reliable tool.

In terms of teaching, the book makes very clear what you have to do and I think most people would at least be able to have a good stab at this, with good results in a very short period of time. Clearly, to be 100% it will take time and practice, but not an absurd amount of time in my opinion. I intend to start practising it soon and may set something up on TAP app to cover any mistakes I make with an out.

So in summary, the book is beautiful, the method solid and the teaching great. If I was on WPR, I'd give it 100%. I genuinely cannot think how they could make this any better.
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Hi is possible to learn and understand the method well just with the learning pack. and no book? thanks
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I have ordered just the available pack I hope to learn it the same
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I finished reading this last week and I have been putting this into practice on friends, colleagues, family and even a few familiar regulars at residencies. I have now got it down to 95% accuracy! I did have to change one thing to make it more surefire, but by an large, I think this is going to be a part of my working set for many years to come! I can't wait to fully hone the routine to make it even more slick but, I think it is a fantastic routine and I can't recommend it enough!

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