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Thanks! I can add you to a list. Just private message me your email. At this point, I do not foresee any future price drops. That could change, but these last exchanges have made it difficult for me to justify or risk any confusion. I may be offering offers/discounts on in-app purchases for additional feature sets within the app. I look forward to having you as a part of the growing and engaged Stranger community!
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I completely understand how the timing of the blackpool offer and the subsequent announcement of the "international version" of the Stranger looks like it was done intentionally. Although I don't have any financial interest in the stranger I have been working with Jonathan and am privy to some of the massive undertaking that has gone (and continues to go) into the development of this application. I can't fathom how much money let alone pure man hours that went into getting an international version working before blackpool. It was essentially like writing 30 more versions of the stranger AND recording scripts for most all of them I had doubts he would finish by the end of 2020 let alone before blackpool, the man did not sleep, every night was (and still is) spent refining code with his developers just trying to get it ready for launch at blackpool meanwhile being a busy full time magician. But somehow (on I think the second day of blackpool) he did get something released that would work for the international market. I am sorry for those of you that missed the sale, but I can promise you that is is worth every penny and more. I don't know of any other app let alone magic trick that gets amazing SCREAMING reactions every single time! It is seriously addicting to perform. Not to mention the amazing community that has sprung up around this application, all of these magicians from around the world just dying to help you create a miracle for your audience because its just as fun being a stranger as it is performing it. It's hard to put into words how much more than just an app

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this really is. Maybe it's not for you, I respect that. But it is still a bargain at $150, I'm looking around my room and can see stuff I've purchased that add up to WELL over that and none of those things create the pure excitement that performing this does. You can close a stadium show with it with nothing more on you than your phone. What else can you say that about?







I agree with everything said. Not questioning the work gone into the app . Or the quality of the app
I think itís fantastic
Just would have been nice for all the international users waiting for this to be available to have some sort of offer for our patience
I think thatís fair donít you ?
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Fair? I think heís been more than fair. Given the amount of extra work and cost the international version could have been an app of its own, but JL has always maintained that international support was coming and that it would be a free update. So, anyone waiting could have bought it even when it was on sale during blackpool and the 3 days after and used it (to call US based numbers or use US recordings) and receive the update free. I completely understand that no announcement was made, but it was hardly a secret either. I hate when I miss a sale, but given that he would have to discount the app worldwide for those that didnít know and in the process essentially cheat those that have paid full price between blackpool and now, that seems more unfair to me.
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I kinda wanted it but missed the sale. It is what it is. If someone wanted it that bad, they shoulda pulled the trigger and ordered.
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I must admit that I kind of agree with Rasp. Whilst I have absolute faith in Jonathanís integrity itís not a great situation in the UK as we automatically pay a premium because Apple do not realise that the exchange rate is not 1.0 so currently it cost $194 in the U.K. Whilst the advice when released was buy it now and have the international features later. At the sale price it was $127 which is a lot to spend on something you canít use and as it turned out wouldnít be useable for 8 months based on release in June 19 and international version being ready late Feb 2020. I was ready to pull the trigger at the Blackpool price but as I couldnít get to Blackpool I sent Jonathon a message to confirm that the International features were imminent. Unfortunately that message wasnít answered before the sale ended which is fair as Jonathan had to travel there and back and was busy on the stand. However I just donít see myself buying this whilst the international users are getting hammered on the price in pounds vs dollars and not being able to take advantage of a similar discount the US users got (on top of the fact that itís cheaper in the US to begin with.

I appreciate Jonathon wants to be fair to the existing US users as well as new users but unfortunately fair is not a possibility with Appleís 1-1 ratio between pounds euroís and dollars.

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I kinda wanted it but missed the sale. It is what it is. If someone wanted it that bad, they shoulda pulled the trigger and ordered.

Pulling the trigger and ordering isnít really an option for an expensive app that does not work in your country. A promise of future support is not good enough to spend £100 on. Letís face it, Greg Rostami promised Apple Watch support for RA about 5 years ago and itís still not there. Many other app developers have promised future support that has not materialised.

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Which country are you in?
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I kinda wanted it but missed the sale. It is what it is. If someone wanted it that bad, they shoulda pulled the trigger and ordered.

Pulling the trigger and ordering isnít really an option for an expensive app that does not work in your country. A promise of future support is not good enough to spend £100 on. Letís face it, Greg Rostami promised Apple Watch support for RA about 5 years ago and itís still not there. Many other app developers have promised future support that has not materialised.

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Which country are you in?
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I am in the UK Jonathon hence my point about Appleís pricing policy which is $150 = £150 which of course it doesnít outside of the App Store. In the real world £150 is around $193 at current exchange rates.

This of course isnít your fault Jonathon but it does lead to U.K. users and probably other international IOS users feeling a bit let down that Americans got a pre sale discount, Android users get a pre sale discount but the international iOS users are told now that the Blackpool sale is over the version you guys can use is available but there will be no discounts for you guys EVER.

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I am in the UK Jonathon hence my point about Appleís pricing policy which is $150 = £150 which of course it doesnít outside of the App Store. In the real world £150 is around $193 at current exchange rates.

This of course isnít your fault Jonathon but it does lead to U.K. users and probably other international IOS users feeling a bit let down that Americans got a pre sale discount, Android users get a pre sale discount but the international iOS users are told now that the Blackpool sale is over the version you guys can use is available but there will be no discounts for you guys EVER.

Mark


Thanks, Mark. You mentioned that it does not yet work in your country. It does currently work for the UK. I do hope you will give it a go, as I think you'll have a great time with it.
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It does work in the UK now the discounts are no longer available but it didnít prior to Blackpool. Unfortunately the international features were not available until it went up to nearly $200 and as a result I wonít get an opportunity to give it a go unless it is on offer again next Blackpool.

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It does work in the UK now the discounts are no longer available but it didnít prior to Blackpool. Unfortunately the international features were not available until it went up to nearly $200 and as a result I wonít get an opportunity to give it a go unless it is on offer again next Blackpool.

Mark


I understand, Mark. No worries.
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HI can you tell me if this will work in INDIA
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If I understood Jonathan correctly, the only other choices Apple gave him were to discount the iOS app for everyone (including everyone in the US) once the international version was released, or to create a completely separate international app with different pricing. Instead, he kept a level playing field for everyone (except a Blackpool special, which is very common for vendors). I guess he could have let people on the international waiting list know that if they happened to be attending Blackpool they could get a lower price there, but I'd imagine most of those people stopped by his booth at some point anyway.

Now could we please refocus our sulking on the Android version? Smile
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HI can you tell me if this will work in INDIA


yes it does! Smile And I will have recordings for India uploaded soon (they have been recorded and are in the process of being edited.)
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Unfortunately I think this sentiment is felt by a lot of U.K. users and likely many other international users although the U.K. tends to get hit worse by the exchange rates. Even the discounted price is only slightly below the full US price. Unfortunately the U.K. version not being available until after the discount was finished means that International IOS users do not receive the same that was offered to US users and Android users. Hopefully some will still buy it. It would be a shame if the international features end up being redundant outside of the Android version.

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If I understood Jonathan correctly, the only other choices Apple gave him were to discount the iOS app for everyone (including everyone in the US) once the international version was released, or to create a completely separate international app with different pricing. Instead, he kept a level playing field for everyone (except a Blackpool special, which is very common for vendors). I guess he could have let people on the international waiting list know that if they happened to be attending Blackpool they could get a lower price there, but I'd imagine most of those people stopped by his booth at some point anyway.

Now could we please refocus our sulking on the Android version? Smile


A separate international version may have been the way to go to ensure that international IOS users got the same deal as the US users and Android users rather than paying just over double what US users paid when the app was released. Itís not a level playing field when international IOS users pay double what US users and Android users pay. Emailing those on the international waiting list would have certainly made a difference. I mailed Jonathon just prior to Blackpool asking about U.K. support but unfortunately I never received a reply and £100 is a lot to spend without confirmation it will actually work. Would you feel the same about a level playing field if the Android version was double the price of the the IOS version? Itís only a level playing field if the playing field is level.

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A separate international version may have been the way to go to ensure that international IOS users got the same deal as the US users and Android users rather than paying just over double what US users paid when the app was released.


Separate versions would have significantly increased development time and costs, which would have ultimately wound up hurting everyone. It seems like the bottom line is that international users didn't understand they should have bought the app in advance of being able to use it (like Android users have), which would have opened them to the discount. But if Jonathan were to extend a discount now to make up for that misunderstanding, he might lose as much in sales from US customers on the fence (who would also get the discount) as he'd gain from international customers on the fence who would jump at the discount.
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So international users should have purchased it 8 months in advance in the hope that it would indeed one day work? If it never worked you would be the first to say itís your own fault for spending £100 on something you knew didnít work in your country.

Having an international build and a US build does not significantly increase dev costs at all. I worked for Sony Computer Entertainment making games for the PlayStation we had a US version, EU version, Japanese version and several other regional versions each of which were vastly larger than any mobile phone app. Most came from a common build. The biggest cost factor was between Japanese language version and the English versions because different voice artists were needed and of course the manuals and menus needed to be in both languages and in some cases the names were different requiring different packaging and menu screens. Total NBA (the main series I worked on) was called NBA Shoot Out in the US. Likewise for Korean etc. Developing an international version is where the cost is, including it in a separate build should not significantly increase costs.

I guess itís a balancing act, definite lost sales from international users who wonít buy it due to the additional cost (there are 8 of us in the U.K. that I know of and likely a fair few more in the uk and the rest of the international territories) vs a small loss of a few US users who might take advantage of the discount. Especially when you consider that the app has been available to US users since June where they were offered a pre sale discount and were also able to take full advantage of the Blackpool discount as the US version was fully supported at that point in time.

Were there to be a pre sale discount offered to allow international users to purchase it under similar conditions to US buyers and Android buyers it is highly unlikely that any US buyers that jumped on were likely to buy it at full price considering that unlike international users it has been available to US buyers since last June and the US users only recently had the opportunity to buy it at the Blackpool price knowing that the US was already supported.

So lose a big chunk of international sales whilst not necessarily adding any US sales, or gain a bunch of international sales and possibly pick up a few US sales that you might not have got. Alienating a big chunk of your market does not reduce development costs or increase profits.

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I totally feel the same as you Mark. Being in France, the euro price is 170Ä which at todayís rate amounts to 188$...
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