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tomd![]() Special user 740 Posts ![]() |
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On Mar 1, 2020, ash2arani wrote: That’s odd. I was in Australia when the discount was applied, and it was on that App Store... then I had to switch back to Irish App Store to purchase (I had no Aussie bank account details) and it was on there as well. Did you search for it more than once over the weekend or just a one time search? I spent maybe 5 hours debating whether to purchase that weekend... and for maybe 30 mins it wasn’t on either App Store when I searched it, so I decided not to pay at discount price. It came back and I panic bought it haha. |
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Mark_Chandaue![]() Inner circle Essex UK 3912 Posts ![]() |
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On Mar 2, 2020, GusGarcia wrote: I am not wrong at all but you do need to work on your reading comprehension a little. Developing the international version full stop is what costs the time and money, not having a separate build. I think having worked for several years at one of the most successful software houses in the world I have a very good understanding of what it takes to maintain multiple builds of the same item. In fact I would be very shocked if Jonathon is not already maintaining multiple builds offline. The moment you develop the international build you’ve spent the money. FULL STOP!! Now if you were arguing against creating an international version in the first place then absolutely I would agree with you that it’s a cost and one has to decide whether there are enough potential international customers to warrant that cost. Spending the time, money and effort to make an international version then alienating the international customers to the point where they choose not to buy the app is simply bad business sense. Since making my original comment I have had quite a few others confirm that whilst they were looking forward to it they will not buy it because they feel let down. Lost sales are already at around £1400 that I know of so you be sure the actual figure is higher than that. This for an international version that has already been created, money already spent, work already done. As far as expecting it to be a spectacular failure again go back and work on that reading comprehension again, I think it is a great app and wish it every success but any way you slice it alienating a chunk of your market does not make good business sense and if you think that offering a limited time discount to a new market would lose money because new customers in your existing market might also take advantage you may need to look at your comprehension of business as well as your reading comprehension. As far as some people in the U.K. were already using it because they were happy to have an audience generate a random number in the US well that’s fine but I would love to hear their audience talking after the show to see how many questioned why not call a UK number especially when the time of the show means that calling a US number would be bang out of order. For many of us that simply won’t fly especially not at £100. Ultimately I hope Jonathon sells enough international versions to make the effort he has put in worthwhile but there are a lot of us who simply won’t buy it because we were not given a level playing field to the US users and Android users. Mark
Mark Chandaue A.I.M.C.
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kcmagic1![]() New user 82 Posts ![]() |
Mark, I am not understanding the argument here. You would spend a lot more than that on a prop that probably wouldn't get as good of a reaction as the Stranger. Magicians spend a lot more than the price of the Stranger on things that only last them a year or two. I get that you are upset over not receiving a discount, however, I didn't receive a discount either. At the time it was released, I didn't have IOS. By the time I bought an I phone to support it, the discount was gone and I paid full price. Business is business! That's the way it has been for centuries. It came down to the question of whether or not I will be able to use it in my show or not and how I felt the audience reactions would be if I did use it. To me, the reactions are well worth the price. Why create all of this hate because of a discount. You rarely receive discounts on other magic apparatus! Get over it and move on. If you don't want the trick or think it's not worth the full price then don't get it. It's as simple as that!
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ash2arani![]() Special user 925 Posts ![]() |
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On Mar 1, 2020, tomd wrote: I searched multiple times. It is still not there. Seems the region has been excluded (accidentally) with the new update. I know it was there. Either way, waiting for Android. |
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rasp![]() Inner circle 1115 Posts ![]() |
Mark, you have hit the nail on the head.............. What was the point in spending additional costs to enable the app to function on an international basis, only to then alienate the international market you were pitching to?
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Mark_Chandaue![]() Inner circle Essex UK 3912 Posts ![]() |
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On Mar 2, 2020, kcmagic1 wrote: Ken likewise I can spend a lot less on diverter which will get the same reactions. It’s not about cost, I am more than happy to spend premium on something that does what I need it to if I know that I can rely on it to do so. I have spent thousands on promystic/cesaral and on custom props. The point I am making is that it is bad business to alienate a whole new market so that you don’t give your existing market an additional chance to get the discount. Now you not having IOS when the fully supported and discounted version was released is not the same thing as you not being offered a discount at all. Jonathon has absolutely no control over which phone you chose and when. However he does have control over the decision to offer a discount to US users and Android users but not to International users who already have to pay a far higher price than the US users. What message do you think that sends out to international IOS users? If the priority is US and Android users do I really want to risk my money on something that may not work after the next IOS update and then have to wait for the US and Android versions to be fixed before the International features are fixed? Will the international users get left behind when new features are added to the US and Android versions? If International users are given lesser treatment to the other versions at the release stage then why would I expect any different when it comes to updates and new features? Anyway I see no point in debating this with people who have no skin in the game. Jonathon can read my posts and decide whether the logic in them makes any sense or whether he disagrees with my points. It’s his app and his decision and he needs to do what is right for him. I will express my opinion and I have put my argument forward in a logical and respectful way. However whilst I will voice my opinion in a clear and logical way Jonathon is free to sell his app to whoever he wants in whatever way he wants. Nobody is automatically entitled to it and regardless of which way Jonathon goes and whether I get the app or not I will always wish Jonathon only success with the app. Mark
Mark Chandaue A.I.M.C.
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The Unmasked Magician![]() Inner circle If only I didn't have a wife and a kid I would have MUCH more than 2277 Posts ![]() |
Well said, Mark.
Please check regularly if you are becoming the type of magician Jerry Seinfeld jokes about. (This applies to mentalists as well.)
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jlevit![]() Regular user 141 Posts ![]() |
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On Mar 1, 2020, ash2arani wrote: Which country are you in? |
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jlevit![]() Regular user 141 Posts ![]() |
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On Mar 2, 2020, Mark_Chandaue wrote: Mark, thank you for your posts and thank you for your thought out arguments. I sincerely do appreciate everyone's feedback. I've had to make some difficult decisions and as I've said, I have tried to accommodate everyone or as many as I could. It does seem that there are some that have felt alienated or not taken care of. For that, I do apologize. Sincerely. I accept that this effect may not be right for everyone, or that some feel they do not want to support it or have it based on this experience. I wish you well, as well, Mark. I appreciate your words. Let's call this discussion closed and all move forward in a positive and productive way. We are all brothers and sisters in this art form and I like to think that I, and we, have no ill intentions toward anyone else. Again, my thanks to all! Jonathan |
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ash2arani![]() Special user 925 Posts ![]() |
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On Mar 2, 2020, jlevit wrote: United Arab Emirates |
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jlevit![]() Regular user 141 Posts ![]() |
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On Mar 2, 2020, ash2arani wrote: Thank you. Let me investigate what’s happening with the App Store. |
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pegasus![]() Eternal Order United Kingdom 10388 Posts ![]() |
I won’t mix my words. I rarely do. The international version release has been nothing but a complete and utter cluster f@@@.
As the investors say in ‘The Dragons Den’ ... I’m out. |
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The Unmasked Magician![]() Inner circle If only I didn't have a wife and a kid I would have MUCH more than 2277 Posts ![]() |
Don't be a stranger, Pegasus...
Please check regularly if you are becoming the type of magician Jerry Seinfeld jokes about. (This applies to mentalists as well.)
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aheller5![]() Regular user 165 Posts ![]() |
Is there going to be an app for android users?
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Steven Leung![]() Inner circle found the Magic Rainbow after 1612 Posts ![]() |
Glad to see the app finally available to Hong Kong, and it's my honor to meet Johnathan during Blackpool a few weeks ago.
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Kaliix![]() Inner circle Connecticut 1829 Posts ![]() |
Convince yourself that you were wronged however you want. End of the day you had a choice to purchase it early and take the discount but also take on the risk. You choose to not take the risk and keep your money. No one forced you to make that decision. You have your own free will and exercised it so give it up man.
You are not paying any premium in the UK. There are exchange rates between pounds, euro's and dollars and the rate has never been 1.0, nor should it be, unless you one doesn't understand monetary policy. Quote: On Mar 1, 2020, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
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Martin.Lester![]() Special user 998 Posts ![]() |
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On Mar 2, 2020, Kaliix wrote: Well just to be clear in the UK we do pay a premium both with the poor exchange rate Plus 20% VAT ( Tax that is added) to all transactions |
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Mark_Chandaue![]() Inner circle Essex UK 3912 Posts ![]() |
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On Mar 3, 2020, Kaliix wrote: What an absolute load of complete bollox. Let’s not get into the fact that on release there was no guarantee of an international version. When it was released it was limited to North America. I am not even sure it was available in the UK App Store at that time. An international version was then promised but that was only just released just over a week ago so no we didn’t have the option to buy it we were told the international version was coming soon and it came 8 months later. it was also at the very least implied that there would be a similar pre sale discount for the international version that there was for the US and Android version so not only was it perfectly reasonable for international users to wait for a version that actually worked properly in their country it was sensible considering this is not a cheap app. You clearly don’t understand monetary policy if you believe that $150 equates to £150. Apple apps generally cost the same in pounds as they do in dollars including this app. You are correct that the exchange rate has never been 1-1 and yet you seem to think that it isn’t a premium to have to pay £150 for a $150 app. Let’s give you a brief lesson in monetary policy at current exchange rates $150 = £117 even if you add vat at 20% this only comes to £139. So at the barest minimum UK users are paying a premium of £11 or just under $15 but in real terms the price for the app in the U.K. is $192 vs $150 in the US and vs $99 that both US users and Android users paid when their versions were released. I had absolutely no intention of continuing to debate this with people that have no skin in the game but I had to call BS on this post which was not only complete BS but was also completely unnecessary. Mark
Mark Chandaue A.I.M.C.
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reignofsound![]() Inner circle Glasgow, UK 2061 Posts ![]() |
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On Mar 3, 2020, Mark_Chandaue wrote: Exactly |
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rasp![]() Inner circle 1115 Posts ![]() |
From chatting with UK friends and a few overseas European friends, I would think at the moment there is just short of £2500 worth of business waiting (at the discounted $99), none of whom will buy at the full rate because of the way they feel they have been treated waiting, in some cases over five months, for the international version. So, that's £2500 towards the cost of the work involved to make this app international........ What was the point. The majority registered to be notified by email about the release and did not receive anything.............. All that needed to happen, was to send an email (to those who registered) stating that the price would be reduced to $99 for the duration of the Blackpool convention and that the international version was imminent.
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