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I find no harm in him. He is very open and honest about his interest in the mystical.
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I find no harm in any of the bands and individuals I mentioned.

For most, whatever interest they have in such things seems genuine.

For some, there may also be a greater or lesser degree of calculatedly using mystical trappings as evocative window dressing in order to help sell more records. In other words, as a marketing ploy.

Black Sabbath was born when its members pondered a cinema marquee advertising a Boris Karloff horror film, and wondered why it was that people were willing to pay good money in order to be frightened. Thus was born their spooky subgenre of rock music.
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Bron-Yr-Aur also features in the titles of a couple of Zeppelin tunes, naturally.

As I recall, Page also used to own Aleister Crowley's old house on Loch Ness, known as Boleskine.

Black Sabbath obviously utilized a lot of occult imagery and mystical themes. (And then there's solo Ozzy's classic song "Mr Crowley").

Ritchie Blackmore (of Deep Purple and Rainbow) has a longstanding fondness for seances, and tells stories about spirits (and not just the liquid kind!) interfering with recording sessions. The lyrics to the Rainbow song "Man On the Silver Mountain" read like a therugic invocation.

Metal has a long association with metaphysics and the supernatural.

On another note -- that of Arthur and the Grail -- there is the decidedly non-metal, keyboard-centric Rick Wakeman (from Yes) epic solo album "The Myths and Legends of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table."

Awesome info my friend.
Man on the Silver Mountain rocks!
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Awesome info my friend.
Man on the Silver Mountain rocks!


It does indeed. When I had my Sabbath/Rainbow tribute band, playing Man on the Silver Mountain always went over well, as did Stargazer and Gates of Babylon. For Sabbath, we opened with War Pigs and closed with Heaven and Hell. That set was bookended by epic-length showcases.
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I agree that a rumored interest in the occult could be a useful marketing strategy, but some people take it very seriously. For example, whenever Joe Lynn Turner and I hung out and imbibed too much, if the topic of Rainbow came up, he would go on and on about how freaked out he felt about Ritchie Blackmore’s dabbling in black magic.

Jimmy Page’s immersion in the “dark arts” freaked Peter Frampton out, too. The latter once confided in me told that he blames Jimmy for the car accident he had for which part of his upper arm muscle had to be removed. Peter believes that Jimmy cast a revenge spell on him after finding out that he (Peter) had fooled around with Jimmy’s girlfriend.
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Hey Karnak, you mentioned Ian Anderson’s great band. Around 1972, I was playing in a cover band with a steady club gig. One night, in-between songs, a guy came up to the bandstand and kept asking us to play "Methrofill." "What's that?" we asked. "Play Methrofill." Our band members quizzed him a little more, but just couldn't figure out what he meant by "Methrofill."

A while later, the band launched into our rendition of "Locomotive Breath.” Which caused the guy to run up to us, smiling and obviously very pleased, yelling "Methrofill." It turned out what he meant was "Jethro Tull."
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... whenever Joe Lynn Turner and I hung out and imbibed too much, if the topic of Rainbow came up, he would go on and on about how freaked out he felt about Ritchie Blackmore’s dabbling in black magic.


Blackmore’s interest in such things is no doubt genuine, but he was also a notorious practical joker. There are stories of him rigging rocking chairs to rock spookily by themselves in band members’ hotel or castle rooms, etc., just to scare them after an evening regaling them with ghost stories. Freaked out Rainbow band members are not uncommon for such reasons.

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Jimmy Page’s immersion in the “dark arts” freaked Peter Frampton out, too. The latter once confided in me told that he blames Jimmy for the car accident he had for which part of his upper arm muscle had to be removed. Peter believes that Jimmy cast a revenge spell on him after finding out that he (Peter) had fooled around with Jimmy’s girlfriend.


When I was in high school in the 1970s, I had a bit of a reputation for being interested in occult matters (I read a lot of kabbalistic stuff back then). One kid who used to bully me a bit accidentally fell down the school’s stairs one day and broke a leg. He became convinced that I must have cast a spell on him which caused his accident, and so he kept a very deferential demeanor and a respectable safe distance from me henceforth, even though I had absolutely done nothing of the kind (nor even suggested or hinted that I had done so).

These kinds of things can just sort of perpetuate themselves, even when there’s nothing to them.
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A while later, the band launched into our rendition of "Locomotive Breath.” Which caused the guy to run up to us, smiling and obviously very pleased, yelling "Methrofill." It turned out what he meant was "Jethro Tull."


Same sort of thing happens with misheard/misunderstood song lyrics. My brother long thought “Smoke On the Water” was “Slow Comin’ Water.” Ozzy famously thought Hendrix’s line “‘Scuse me, while I kiss the sky” was “‘Scuse me, while I kiss this guy.”

Tull is a favorite band of mine. They were the first band I ever saw live in concert, and Ian Anderson’s flamboyant, exuberantly expressive frontman stage presence floored and spoiled me (all other frontmen subsequently seemed tame by comparison, without all that leaping about and wild yet precise gesturing). Martin Barre is a very tasteful, interesting and highly underrated guitarist, too.

Ritchie Blackmore is on record as ranking Tull as a favorite band, and Ian Anderson as being a genius. High praise indeed from a guy who doesn’t dole out such praise very often.
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Yes, I used to trip out to Jethro Tull in the late 1960s and early ‘70s. Never got to see them live. But whenever I met someone who had, I’d make them describe the band’s performances and Anderson’s onstage antics to me in detail.

P.S. Back then I had my own dabblings with the occult … sometimes with devastating results!
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Yes, I used to trip out to Jethro Tull in the late 1960s and early ‘70s. Never got to see them live. But whenever I met someone who had, I’d make them describe the band’s performances and Anderson’s onstage antics to me in detail.


Tull recorded the Aqualung LP in a studio where Zeppelin was also recoding an album at the same time. Page peeked in while Martin Barre was recording his guitar solo for the title track, a solo which in its own way is as iconic and delicious as Page’s solo in Stairway to Heaven.

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P.S. Back then I had my own dabblings with the occult … sometimes with devastating results!


My occult thriller novel, referenced in my “signature” at the bottom of each of my posts, is mostly imaginary but also contains a few autobiographical tidbits.
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Karnak and Arthur are two of my heroes. Nuff said.

But you want black, dark, even perhaps blasphemous?

Batushka.

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The Excalibur legend is a story of transition from the Dark to the Light ages, from the Pagan to the Christian era. So there is this great conflict and drama going on at this time and place. Likewise, we have this on-going battle between light and heavy music. As above so below, one cannot have heavy without light. Come on the good guys.

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... from the Dark to the Light ages, from the Pagan to the Christian era


For their part, I suspect that Pagans might not concur with that characterization of their age/era!

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Likewise, we have this on-going battle between light and heavy music. As above so below, one cannot have heavy without light


Light and heavy, yin and yang, neither inherently "good" or "bad" in themselves. Polar opposites, but complementary rather than contradictory. Both are necessary, like the twin poles of battery -- one we call "positive" (+) and the other "negative" (-), though no moral value judgment is thereby actually implied.
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Is heavy metal pure and virtuous like the Virgin Mary, or a wicked temptress like Eve?
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Is heavy metal pure and virtuous like the Virgin Mary, or a wicked temptress like Eve?


Yes.
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From a physics standpoint, noise is indistinguishable from sound.
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Or music.
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When I joined Frampton’s band in 1980, he owned a 66-acre estate in upstate New York. Massive modern mansion with a state of the art recording studio in the basement. The first time I got there, I was curious as to why the limo driver dropped me a little distance away from the house. But as I walked towards the house, I realized why, when two naked sunbathing girls waved at me from beside the pool!

Before scheduling the band’s full rehearsals, Peter and I regularly worked together at his house, running through all the song arrangements. He had all the needed keyboards available (Hammond B-3 Organ, Yamaha CP-88 Grand Piano, Fender Rhodes Electric Piano, Hohner Clavinet, Moog Prophet 5 Synth, etc.). We also ran through all the guitar parts I would be playing, in particular the open tuning guitar voicings he used for certain songs. And of course the harmonies I would be singing.

One day Peter wanted to explore the extent of his property with his guitar roadie, J.D. As they traipsed through the woods, they came to a clearing where they discovered a large rock formation in the shape of a pentagram. It had obviously been there for several years, and there were clues that it was still in use for who knows what kind of satanic or pagan ritual gatherings.

This made Peter very angry, and he started dislodging some of the rocks and scattering them, breaking the pattern. J.D. tried to prevent him, but Peter was adamant. Call it superstitious, or whatever you want, but I always felt that Peter’s actions may have invoked some sort of curse.
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Awesome info my friend.
Man on the Silver Mountain rocks!


It does indeed. When I had my Sabbath/Rainbow tribute band, playing Man on the Silver Mountain always went over well, as did Stargazer and Gates of Babylon. For Sabbath, we opened with War Pigs and closed with Heaven and Hell. That set was bookended by epic-length showcases.


I hope Iron Man was part of your Sabbath set!

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I hope Mary and Eve didn’t catch a cold.
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