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Josepher
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In rare cases,
Firmly ask the intruder to 'relax and enjoy the miracles I have prepared for you, I'll be happy to discuss your questions after my presentation'.
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I once did the following just to try it out (can‘t remember where I learned this from, this is not original to me): You give a deck to the heckler and tell him to walk off into a corner, shuffle the deck and then pick a card and wait until someone from the group brings him back. As soon as the heckler walks off you bring out a second deck and finish your set.

It works. But it‘s not nice and you really have to pick your battles.
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Say, “I don’t want to steal the show from you, man. I love watching magic, too.” Then hand him the deck. He will shut up very fast or do something simple, be pacified by the audience, and you can go on with your performance.

You’re performing for more than just one insecure dude trying to challenge you, right? Focus on the people who are there for the right reasons. Sometimes the heckler type is unavoidable, but if it happens often - film yourself performing to see what triggers that personality type.
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I wouldn't go the route of directly challenging them. Why give up control of the show in that fashion?
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Direct challenges are a very risky move, notably because as Danny said, you're giving up control of your show entirely.

On top of that - you're teaching the audience that if they pester you, you'll immediately give into them. Shooting yourself in the foot, that is.

Also, what happens when you hand that deck to someone who's more entertaining than you? What happens when they don't give it back? What happens when they decide to throw it across the room to be a jerk?

And lastly - giving a direct challenge to someone in the audience is a direct challenge to the entire audience, vicariously. So if you're a jerk to that one, others in the audience will believe you're just a jerk.
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Danny knows what he is talking about. Throughout this thread he has made valid points/suggestions regarding the scenario that the OP presented. The fact that so many magicians discuss performing scenarios and the infinite hypothetical situations which can result from a unplanned moment may account for the tiny percentage of magicians who simply go out and PERFORM!
Lessons are best learned from experience and not through chit-chatting about the best way to do this or that.
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On Jul 24, 2019, WitchDocChris wrote:
Direct challenges are a very risky move, notably because as Danny said, you're giving up control of your show entirely.

On top of that - you're teaching the audience that if they pester you, you'll immediately give into them. Shooting yourself in the foot, that is.

Also, what happens when you hand that deck to someone who's more entertaining than you? What happens when they don't give it back? What happens when they decide to throw it across the room to be a jerk?

And lastly - giving a direct challenge to someone in the audience is a direct challenge to the entire audience, vicariously. So if you're a jerk to that one, others in the audience will believe you're just a jerk.


What he said.
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Let’s not forget OP said, “Imagine the situation, your being paid to perform and you get called over to perform something for a certain person only to discover this person is the spectator from hell, now remember your being paid well, you've been asked to show this person something perhaps from the host so what do you do ?”

In a parlor or more formal setting I’d agree with Chris, Pepper, and Danny. However, in a strolling situation, asking them to show everyone something real quick will put an end to heckling very fast. It doesn’t have to be in a snide tone or sarcastic delivery.

If that’s not true, what do you fellas suggest in this situation?
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We have all said. Even in fantasy land I would not give them the deck.
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Don Alan shows a clip of him on a TV show with Henny Youngman. Henny is bringing the show where Don doesn't want it to go. Don just sits and waits until he is done. Shut him right away.

Getting into a back and forth with a spectator has no upside. Even in fantasy land where you somehow must perform for them in the end you look like a jerk.

Engaging them is not the move. You have changed your show to suit them.

In reality these situations simply do notoccur that often. Usually the rest of the group takes care of it for you.

Also the idea of saying "relaz ans enjoy the miracles I have planned for you" really isn't going to help in the long run. First if all using the word miracles to describe card tricks to laymen is red meat for a heckler! Second it engages them which is exactly what they want. If a guy really is busting your chops and you pull out that line, if he is THAT guy them that line is not going to be helpful in the least.

Don't engage. Can't go wrong.
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Use "heckler stoppers" in a restaurant and you want have to move away. Your boss will have you moved.
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On Jul 24, 2019, peppermeat2000 wrote:
Danny knows what he is talking about. Throughout this thread he has made valid points/suggestions regarding the scenario that the OP presented. The fact that so many magicians discuss performing scenarios and the infinite hypothetical situations which can result from a unplanned moment may account for the tiny percentage of magicians who simply go out and PERFORM!
Lessons are best learned from experience and not through chit-chatting about the best way to do this or that.



Danny's input is always worth the read.
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On Jul 24, 2019, peppermeat2000 wrote:
Danny knows what he is talking about. Throughout this thread he has made valid points/suggestions regarding the scenario that the OP presented. The fact that so many magicians discuss performing scenarios and the infinite hypothetical situations which can result from a unplanned moment may account for the tiny percentage of magicians who simply go out and PERFORM!
Lessons are best learned from experience and not through chit-chatting about the best way to do this or that.


For the record I do plenty of actual paid gigs but having read other posts from magicians who have encountered this situation I thought this thread might be helpful for others hence the chit-chatting as you put it.
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Don Alan shows a clip of him on a TV show with Henny Youngman. Henny is bringing the show where Don doesn't want it to go. Don just sits and waits until he is done. Shut him right away.

Getting into a back and forth with a spectator has no upside. Even in fantasy land where you somehow must perform for them in the end you look like a jerk.

Engaging them is not the move. You have changed your show to suit them.

In reality these situations simply do notoccur that often. Usually the rest of the group takes care of it for you.

Also the idea of saying "relaz ans enjoy the miracles I have planned for you" really isn't going to help in the long run. First if all using the word miracles to describe card tricks to laymen is red meat for a heckler! Second it engages them which is exactly what they want. If a guy really is busting your chops and you pull out that line, if he is THAT guy them that line is not going to be helpful in the least.

Don't engage. Can't go wrong.



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Ive just started performing walk around for pay. For years Ive read how some people don't like magic and couldn't believe it.... but then I learned. I once tried to "show" someone they must like magic and it went terrible.

Now I begin by introducing myself and getting everyones names. I ask permission to show them something. Then I perform something quick and visual with multiple phases. The first phase requires nothing of the spectators but is flashy. This lets me gauge reactions and lets them know by ability level. Then I move to phase two. It requires minimal help from a single member but is stronger than phase 1. This lets me gauge their willingness to both play along and volunteer. Then I end with phase three which is super stong but requires nothing of them, except their attention. This allows me the opportunity to disengage if we don't work well together, no harm no foul, or offer to perform more magic. All of this takes less than 2 minutes.

This has worked well for me so far. Im able to guage my potential audience and plan my attack. Sometimes I don't make it past introducing myself, and that is ok. Ive learned to take rejection. Heck every once in a great while they will see me performing for others and their enjoyment. This prompts them to call me over and ask if my offers still good.


Ok that's only happened once but it was cool
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Odd how I've been saying much of this for over a decade and you sort of argued with me about it.

I am happy to hear you have reached a point where it is easier for you to get and accept the results you seek.

Everyone has their own methods and yours sounds very well thought out and effective. It is a great idea. I bet as you hone it that it will be even more effective.
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Danny, the more experience I acquire the more I appreciate your input on these boards Smile
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Yup! The voice of experience!
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It’s true huh? I used to read his posts with an arrogant ear.
But that changed with some miles under my belt.
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