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It seems like so many great card effects require small stacks to be in place or certain cards to be in specific locations when you get the deck out. That's fine for the first effect, but how do you subtly do the setups for subsequent effects? Just continually cull before each trick (which would look odd)? Changing out decks is obviously a bad solution. Is this addressed well in any magic book?
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I've taught how to setup "impromptuly" in a number of my books - which obviously you haven't stolen, borrowed, bought, READ. Now it's obvious why I keep repeating - YA' REALLY HAVE TO START READING THE GOOD STUFF, GUYS!! (One of my favorites to perform - with a borrowed deck - and NOT AS AN OPENING ITEM - is BLOWN FURTHER AWAY. It requires a set-up of 16 or more cards. It's a killer/jaw dropper! But you won't know it until you start reading the good stuff!!!)
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Which book of yours would you recommend to start to dive in on this topic, Mr. Lorayne?
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Unfortunately, JAW DROPPERS ONE - in which I taught Blown Further Away - is sold out. I've taught the concept in other books - but it is all starting to blend in my mind - perhaps someone here can do the research. You might also go to harryloraynemagic.com - click on "Store" and then on "Magic Books" to see which are currently available and from which you can learn LOTS of good stuff!!~
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Mr. Lorayne:

I went and pulled my copy of Jaw Droppers One (I actually own all of your magic books except for Personal Collection although I am far from finished reading them all) and looked at the effect in question. What you did in that effect is different (I believe) from what I am asking. I am talking about a situation like this. Imagine a hypothetical set where you might first do a full-deck effect that starts with the fours aces in a position and then maybe you want to follow it at another point in the program with a different full-deck effect that requires a stack of the spades in order. My question is how does one one go about getting into the next setup. So many good tricks require various deck setups but how to get from one setup into the next cleanly is mystifying to me and I can’t recall reading about how to make these transitions short of doing a deck switch or having the whole thing stacked out of the gate and trying to protect it with false shuffles and the like. Does that make sense?
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On Jul 12, 2019, EvilClown wrote:
It seems like so many great card effects require small stacks to be in place or certain cards to be in specific locations when you get the deck out. That's fine for the first effect, but how do you subtly do the setups for subsequent effects? Just continually cull before each trick (which would look odd)? Changing out decks is obviously a bad solution. Is this addressed well in any magic book?


Harry Lorayne is right on, I was honored to drive to Chicago and enjoy over 2 hours of Harry presenting his magic lecture. Yes, he had 4 decks piled up on the table next to him.

It all boils down to being congenial to your spectators. You have to talk to them, and converse. During this time of conversation, you shuffle and mix the cards casually, setting up for you next effect. Yes, right in front of the onlookers. This is done while conversing with others.

Simple things like, what's your name, are you from here or visiting from out of town. Have some nice things to say. All the while setting for the next effect. Don't say anything about your fiddling with the cards, except maybe, I enjoy card effects, here is one you might like.

There is also nothing wrong with learning to switch decks. There is a book covering many ways to accomplish switches. Or you could learn a good finger ring on rope routine, or coin effect, and then return to the a card effect.
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For the last, oh, fifty years - I have never done a card effect/routine that necessitated bringing in a new deck. Can't anyway - since I work only with borrowed decks.
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Roberto Giobbi, in his Card College vol. 5, explains a very simple method to set up, during a trick, some cards. I'd say even up to a whole suit.

Fundamental is doing it with a good staging and to follow the "setting up" with one or two tricks that leave it unaltered.

Delaying the use of the stack is your best friend, in this case.

If your set up consists in just a few cards, then the replies above are very good

Your #2 friend is doing it without haste, anxiety and guilt!!!

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I've set up to 26 cards "impromptuly."
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Would you elaborate on this, Mr. Lorayne?
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Can't "elaborate" here - I've taught it in a couple of my books.
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When my kids did it, I used their LOL doll stand. All the stacked decks were memorized by deck style or location.
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Whaaat? We're talking about setting "impromptuly."
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I just read the question is how can you quickly change tricks that require multiple set ups. My solution is have many decks ready to go. If it's on a stand, it looks like its suppose to be there. If you are only running a couple tricks, the deck can be in more than one pocket or even on a hidden shelf.

I think to impromptly set up any deck depends on the nature of the stack. Sti stebbins pattern is pretty easy if you do it a couple times, especially from a new deck. In fact, I set up a new deck prior to that stack. I would suggest over hand shuffles ala erdanese. I learned the euchre stack from his book.
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I think you gotta' start reading the good stuff - which I've written JUST FOR YOU!!
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