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Very nice presentation, Helder!
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Very nice presentation, Helder!



Thanks Arthur.
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Very nice. The only advice I could offer is show each ace for a few seconds longer as they appear.
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Very nice. The only advice I could offer is show each ace for a few seconds longer as they appear.


Will do, thanks.

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Well done. You seem to have fun with it, your Elmsley looks great. If that's you in the video, you really need to update your Café photo...
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Nicely done. That is pretty much the exact method I learned from Gerry Griffin back in the 90s, except I stop after the last card turns over (I don't do that last phase).

A couple notes:
1.) The camera is lower than the normal eye lines of a spectator so you are flashing the bottom card a bit to camera (I think around 45 seconds in).
2.) I haven't used the 4 Aces for this trick for at least 12 years, if not significantly more (I stopped using it before I moved into my current house, 12 years ago). Darwin Ortiz has some great advice on this particular effect in Strong Magic (I don't remember which page number), so I won't share it outside of private conversations.

Again, nicely done and I think your picture looks fine. I don't have my glasses on at the moment though so who knows ha ha.
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Well done. You seem to have fun with it, your Elmsley looks great. If that's you in the video, you really need to update your Café photo...


Thanks.

Will do it.

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Nicely done. That is pretty much the exact method I learned from Gerry Griffin back in the 90s, except I stop after the last card turns over (I don't do that last phase).

A couple notes:
1.) The camera is lower than the normal eye lines of a spectator so you are flashing the bottom card a bit to camera (I think around 45 seconds in).
2.) I haven't used the 4 Aces for this trick for at least 12 years, if not significantly more (I stopped using it before I moved into my current house, 12 years ago). Darwin Ortiz has some great advice on this particular effect in Strong Magic (I don't remember which page number), so I won't share it outside of private conversations.

Again, nicely done and I think your picture looks fine. I don't have my glasses on at the moment though so who knows ha ha.


I know Darwin idea but it’s one of the few that I disagree with him.
With glasses you will look different. Smile
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I know Darwin idea but it’s one of the few that I disagree with him.
With glasses you will look different. Smile



Oh, I disagree with many things from every author I've ever read, I totally get it!

For this particular effect, I do agree with Darwin though. Without going any more off-topic or giving away Ortiz's ideas, I feel there is lack of progression and I strongly suspect that the spectators don't really keep track of the cards (see Strong Magic, anyone who doesn't know what we are talking about).

But this is a classic effect and you do it extremely well, so keep it up my friend!

Best of luck!
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I know Darwin idea but it’s one of the few that I disagree with him.
With glasses you will look different. Smile



Oh, I disagree with many things from every author I've ever read, I totally get it!

For this particular effect, I do agree with Darwin though. Without going any more off-topic or giving away Ortiz's ideas, I feel there is lack of progression and I strongly suspect that the spectators don't really keep track of the cards (see Strong Magic, anyone who doesn't know what we are talking about).

But this is a classic effect and you do it extremely well, so keep it up my friend!

Best of luck!


There are a lot of theories and it’s good to know them but even better is perform the effects multiple times, judge the reactions and how they react to every phase, every word, move and adjust from there. Nothing beats experience.
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It's funny you say that because experience is exactly why I agree with Darwin on this one. Next time during the trick, ask them which aces still need to turn over at some point. What does it mean if they can’t name them? That’s a rhetorical question by the way.
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Thanks for sharing. However, on the second beat of your Elmsley Counts, it seems like you’re using the thumb of the “taking” hand rather than doing a multiple pushoff using the thumb of the hand holding the packet. It’s subtle but noticeably different from the way you peel off the single cards.
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Thanks for sharing. However, on the second beat of your Elmsley Counts, it seems like you’re using the thumb of the “taking” hand rather than doing a multiple pushoff using the thumb of the hand holding the packet. It’s subtle but noticeably different from the way you peel off the single cards.



I use the thumb of the hand holding the packet to do the pushoff. I even practice taking single cards one by one for real and the action looks the same.
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It's funny you say that because experience is exactly why I agree with Darwin on this one. Next time during the trick, ask them which aces still need to turn over at some point. What does it mean if they can’t name them? That’s a rhetorical question by the way.


Everything fine. We don't share the same point of view and we move on.
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Would it possible to share the page number in Ortiz’s book?
Thanks
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Would it possible to share the page number in Ortiz’s book?
Thanks



Page 62 (at the end) and 63.
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Helder, Obrigado!
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Thanks for sharing. However, on the second beat of your Elmsley Counts, it seems like you’re using the thumb of the “taking” hand rather than doing a multiple pushoff using the thumb of the hand holding the packet. It’s subtle but noticeably different from the way you peel off the single cards.



I use the thumb of the hand holding the packet to do the pushoff. I even practice taking single cards one by one for real and the action looks the same.



Even so, your left thumb placement is not the same for the real and multiple takes.
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I'll just add a nit-picking subtlety. Giobbi stresses that the left hand should be held as openly as possible. Definitely not a dealers grip for the left hand. It conveys that posture of complete openness with nothing to hide.
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