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Hey all,
Sorry if this is a topic thatís been hashed over- I did do a couple searches, but Iím on a sea going vessel and my connectivity is limited at best. So, Iím pretty strongly left handed, which in the last 10 years of playing off and on with coin magic has never presented a problem, I generally just reversed instruction. However I am now finally getting around to trying card magic, and Iíve run into an odd issue with the top palm. My left hand has always been my more comfortable and more adept hand at all coin sleights, and likewise for the few card skills Iíve practiced, but now with the top palm Iím finding my left hand just canít quite get it down compared to my right. Is this something I should invest significant time in addressing? Or should I try to work with it? It just seems awkward to have to switch the deck from hand to hand to accomodate the weakness, but despite watching myself over and over I canít see the mechanics of what Iím missing. As stated before my connectivity is limited, so it may not he too regular that I can check and reply here, but please rest assured Iíll be reading any opinions or help provided.
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The top palm for some is impossible, like me. My hands are dry, always have been. Never could get it down. So I started using Harry Lorayne's method from his general public hard bound book, can't remember the name off hand. If you work on it for a week or so and still don't get the little finger to trip the card, then find another method that works for you.

It's great you are left handed, really throws off the guys that like to burn you hands every move your hands make. Just use it to your advantage.

Don't forget conversation is a strong misdirection tool as well, look them in the eyes when you talk to them.
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Oddly enough Vincent I have a similar problem, albeit I am right handed. I find some sleights I find easier using my left (non-dominant hand) I know where this comes from too. When watching video clips for sleights in my early days, I didn't bother reversing what I was seeing. My double lift is left handed as is my elmsley count. I don't even notice I am switching hands any more (2.5 years in).

I have found myself going back to sleights that are not quite right and they have now swapped hands. I just don't sweat it and nobody notices.
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When I was learning magic early on they taught us about the master hand. which is your deck holding had, mechanics grip etc. Its the opposite of our dealing hand which would be your dominant hand. For me, I can one hand cut no problem with left hand, but right hand its a clumsy mess. when ever I do any palming, etc, I always use my left hand, which is fine since most of the time my deck rests in that hand. Tenkai and back palm happen in right hand. it honestly depends on the sleight for me. but my left hand in magic is dominant. even for coin magic, I have to reverse all methods since they are for right handers like me but assume the right hand is the magic hand
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Finally able to get back on here- Iíve made some progress in the time since then, the palm is now becoming more comfortable with my left(dominant) hand, and I also think Iíve narrowed part of the issue down to the initial jog/offset of the top card with the gripping hand- I actually unknowingly fractured that thumb well over a decade ago, and didnít go to a doctor for it for weeks. Itís not something that gives me a problem in day to day life beyond an occasional ache, but I do think I must have some reduced mobility there, as I canít seem to jog the card into position as perfectly/easily as when gripping with the left hand. The progress Iíve made has made me somewhat hopeful, though.

Thank you for the advice, Bill. The Harry Lorayne material is definitely on the near side of my longer term list, once I move beyond Royal Road, so hopefully Iíll be seeing that option. The conversation/misdirection is a bit harder for me to work on now- being on a ship with a very limited crew(with even more limited interest in magic) reduces my ability to practice that. Iím trying to work on self written patter in the mirror, but I think I need to be seeing actual reactions to it to really practice. This hitch ends in the next couple months so thatíll come.

Laughing and Drylid- I think Iíll end up like the both of you, mixing which hand does which sleight. Seems messy and disorganized right now at the start of things, but the fact that both of you donít seem to mind or even notice it after so long makes me feel better about it, and less worried itíll be a long term problem if I let it go.
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