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On Aug 10, 2019, false_awakening wrote:
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On Aug 9, 2019, kissdadookie wrote:
In the books and films I've noted, the degree for which there is a similarity to be drawn is FAR greater than one would be able to draw between Harrison's FU and FU2. FAR greater.


I don't know if that's true. To take one example, based on info found online, it looks like Bird Box and A Quiet Place differ in several respects. The first deals with supernatural entities which cause a self-destructive psychological response in their victims, the second deals with natural aliens with hypersensitive hearing. I understand the same theme exists: *mortal danger hinges on one of your five senses*, but the mechanism, results, strategy (blind yourself, vs don't make noise) all differ. And of course, as you say, such discussion can devolve into nit-picking elements.
My point is that there seems to be greater room here for variance, compared with magic routines like the one in question.

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On Aug 9, 2019, kissdadookie wrote:
This isn't a stealing of chord patterns (that can be equated to stealing of methodology). Stealing of chord patterns can be defended and that defense can be won in some instances because it has to do with a demonstratable application of a specific sequence. This falls under copyright protection since copyright is protection for a specific expression. It's protecting the details of the expression, such as the sequence of words, the sequence of chords, etc.

Sorry, but I'm confused. It seems you're saying that using another song's chord patterns can be defended (with which I agree in general), but then you seem to say that a sequence of chords falls under copyright protection. What is the distinction here between "pattern" and "sequence"?

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On Aug 9, 2019, kissdadookie wrote:
What arc is there for Harrison's effect compared to FU2?


I have no stake in this issue and defer to those familiar with the material. I noticed this summary from earlier in the thread:

-- Prediction set aside.
Card "selected."
Prediction revealed to be FU gag.
Ha. Ha.
Looking closer, the prediction actually reveals the spectator's card. --

So this seems like the specific arc, the story that the effect follows.


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On Aug 9, 2019, kissdadookie wrote:
It's a card trick, a prediction of a thought of card. That is the actual arc here is it not?


What you're describing is to my mind a general effect, the development/execution of which could follow various arcs. Perhaps some of the confusion in this debate is around terminology.


There's definitely confusion on the exact Mathers tjou describe.
Not sure how much is intentional obfuscation by some though 😉
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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Oh, but you know, Bob... you know... Pegasus told you... Smile
Please check regularly if you are becoming the type of magician Jerry Seinfeld jokes about. (This applies to mentalists as well.)
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PS Bobby, I’m truly sorry if my sense of humour offends your utter lack of it.
Please check regularly if you are becoming the type of magician Jerry Seinfeld jokes about. (This applies to mentalists as well.)
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PS Bobby, I’m truly sorry if my sense of humour offends your utter lack of it.


No, it's ok. Just still waiting for your big reveal of which professional performer you are? LOL!!!!
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Just to keep everyone up to date: the trick is still utter garbage. An insult to your audience and to magic. You would think people would be denying they had anything to do with it, not trying to take credit for it.

Ok. Continue.
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Kissdadookie, would it matter that Ellusionist already conceded that the theatrical and film Performance Rights belong to Harrison Greenbaum?


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PERFORMANCE RIGHTS

After some research we found out Harrison Greenbaum had created this presentation for the effect.

Harrison reserves all theatrical (theatres, comedy clubs/venues, touring shows, etc.) and film (TV, movie, Internet, streaming, and any future audiovisual medium) rights to this effect
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I remember someone here years ago started openly criticizing Craig Petty for his performances (a barrage of attacks). It was a harsh, unnecessary, thoughtless, and false critiques of a magician that is truly talented and has always put himself out there. I think Craig was/is awesome and I am glad he is doing well. I don't always agree with Craig on effects and am much more diplomatic than Craig, but I greatly respect him and his honesty (including being very open about mistakes he learned along the way).

About the guy that said harsh things about Craig as a performer and magician, this guy pipes up later admitting that he has zero performing experience, doesn't know/mastered any sleight of hand, etc. Why would this guy have the gaul to insult/criticize Craig when he has never performed for anyone?

I still don't understand the mindset, but anonymity gives some people the ability to be an expert and comfortably say/brag about things that they cannot do or experience in real life.

I always try to be positive and treat others with respect. I am not above critiquing an effect (FU2) or company (Hello Ellusionist! Hello Morally Bankrupt Sansminds!!!). I almost always try to help in some way (often via PM). It took me 14 years of toil, experience, practice, mistakes, and more experience to feel comfortable adding my opinons and sometimes insight to conversations. Why? To be authentic and continue to learn from others and my own mistakes/successes.

Hopefully, the shedding continues and only those that share their knowledge and authentic experiences remain. Also, it would great to see more helping others and less fighting here on the Café. We have lost a lot of great professionals, talented and knowledgable amateurs, and new people to magic that can add to the conversation due to attacks, etc. That is a cause of concern.
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Hi all,

while I don't presume my opinion to carry any considerable weight in the matter, I'd like to briefly clear up any doubt there may have been regarding The Unmasked Magician's claims.
I can, for what it's worth, confirm that he's amongst the most popular corporate entertainers of the Netherlands. He has regularly appeared on national television over here and has, as far as I know, been in the business for an odd 20 years.
More importantly, however, he's a genuinely kind-hearted man, incredibly warm soul and a valued friend.

While it may strike some of you as odd for him to not want to reveal his identity on here, that's his decision to make, and thus I respect it.

Hope that helps a bit with whatever quarrels have been had,

may they be resolved,

all the best & give magic,

Timon
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On Sep 5, 2019, AndrewI wrote:
I can’t believe you’re mentioning Dante’s work and Milton’s nonsense as if they are two distinct descriptions of hell. Milton’s release is an abomination, completely derivative of Dante’s masterpiece and John and his crony Oliver Cromwell are just a bunch of unethical money-grabbing theft-apologists. And don’t start banging on about the mentions of a similar underworld in certain “Testaments” that might predate both. The patter is completely different.


This post is performance art... and sums up this whole thread... LOL. Nice work.... Andrew...
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