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StreetWitch
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A new coin utility is here, The Coin Cuff. It isn't for sale yet, because I need help with the marketing. Take a look at what it can do here, and please help me figure out what the next step is, and if you can help me sell it. This is a coin trick you can wear!

https://youtu.be/9cXBzaINJBc
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A magnetic holdout on the wrist is not a new concept and I would say that the main issue I noticed is that it doesn't appear to be adjustable. Is this just a prototype?
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Dear Street,

A "trick" only "exists" while it is being performed. One cannot "wear" a trick. An unseen device which is needed to perform a trick, is a gimmick. I was unable to see your magnetic holdout. The link did not "link".

This is not a new concept, as Walking has already stated.
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Anyone familiar with Kennedy halves will look at this and immediately know it's fake.

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StreetWitch
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Wow, you guys are so critical I can't believe it. Show me something that already does this. I don't think my trick is really a hold out.
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This seems reminiscent of Ken Allen's SCOOP--an "Utterly Impossible Coin Vanish"--from several decades ago, based upon an idea of Werry's.

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On Jul 21, 2019, StreetWitch wrote:
Wow, you guys are so critical I can't believe it. Show me something that already does this. I don't think my trick is really a hold out.



Something that already does this is a magnet under a watch band, a cuff bracelet, a bandaid, etc... There was also a cuff-style bracelet released years ago that had some sort of flexible "slap bracelet" material inside that wasn't itself magnetic but could be used to hold out magnetic coins.

I don't think anyone was trying to be overly critical. I just mentioned that the concept wasn't new and was wondering about the fact that it doesn't look adjustable, which would be an important feature. From the demo, it looks like the bracelet is used to ditch to and retrieve from, which would make it a hold out. I could be missing something though.
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The coin cuff comes in different sizes and is not adjustable. You can do much more with it than with a concealed magnet. The whole gimick is a flexible magnet. You are right tho. It is in fact a hold out.
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On Jul 21, 2019, StreetWitch wrote:
Wow, you guys are so critical I can't believe i. Show me something that already does this. I don't think my trick is really a hold out.


OK, I'll be a little bit critical. Your PROP IS N O T A TRICK! I could not get your link to open, I assumed it was NOT VISIBLE, so I called it a GIMMICK. I now understand that it can be VISIBLE, so I would call it a FEKE. (We could argue per longum et latum, whether a TT is a FEKE, or GIMMICK. since it is sometimes seen.

Otherwise walking liberty has expressed my opinion.
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Ok, I like this and can see some real potential in this item.

I sometimes use Steel Replica Morgans and these would work well. I think for demo, a silver dollar size coin would be much more visual and perhaps impressive.

You could even use this under a long sleeve short...where the cuffs are too tight to sleeve but the coin cuff underneath would allow you to hide and steal the coin off the cuff.

Your Coin Cuff is brilliant IMHO. To each is own, but I am a worker who has been performing for decades and I say, don't let the negativity put you off. Your idea is great. As for marketing....unfortunately that's an area I can't claim to have much expertise in.

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On Jul 21, 2019, StreetWitch wrote:
The coin cuff comes in different sizes and is not adjustable. You can do much more with it than with a concealed magnet. The whole gimick is a flexible magnet. You are right tho. It is in fact a hold out.


From a marketing perspective, needing to keep an inventory of different sizes is costly. Better to make it adjustable - each one the "largest" size you were planning on and let people cut them down to size.

I think you'd also be better off leaving out the gimmicked coin as many folks who'd be interested would already have a better looking shimmed or magnetic coin. At most make the fake one an optional accessory.
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I'm able to make custom sizes of the Coin Cuff at no extra cost. As for the coin, it works great if you don't hand it out. I am including them with the Coin Cuff because they were only a dollar each! I am using the very strongest possible flexible magnetic material for this, and just to make the first prototype I had to buy a LOT of it. Everyone who sees me wear it thinks its made of leather. Saying that I plan on selling these guys at near cost.
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Welcome here, StreetWitch...😊

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Thanks Mb217. I've been playing with steel morgan dollars, as someone suggest might be better. They work fine. I'm also working on a way to adjust the size of the band like you would a watch. I'll let you guys know how that goes!
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Any marketing plan should recognize the reasons why some magicians would not use such a device, no matter how well it technically works.
Not trying to be negative, just suggesting a USP type analysis to how to focus your marketing.

1) the use of any special coin limits the presentations possibilities and handling. Any documentation might address methods for switching-in/out special coins.

2) many coin effects using magnetic coins (such as the TUC) already discuss the use of hidden "mags" at various locations around the body. How will your device provide an advantage over these methods?

3) wearing any type of jewelry or accessory can be seen as a detraction that might add to the suspicion of an observer. Why is the band worn? Is it meant to be natural or acknowledged as essential to the presentation?

4) to wear/carry/use any device for only one type of trick and not others can lead to suspicion/detraction. What tricks other than coins can performed with the device is worn continuously?

5) how does the attraction compare with other hidden mags? Can a coin/other be ditched or loaded to the device easily?

NOTE: whenever I see a person wearing any large wrist ornament I think of Gilbert Roland. Others may relate to other famous people who have worn wrist bands. Is this type casting an advantage or disadvantage?
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Only a dollar each... and that's why you charge an optional 5 bucks extra for it!

Does this work with a silver quarter?

I would investigate more tricks other than hiding a coin. Show more possibilities, you are selling the dream of magic. Can you attach invisible thread to it? You need to create the demand for wearing this bracelet. Why wouldnt I just wear a pk ring which looks less suspicious?

From a business perspective, you are going to order a whole bunch of certain sizes and be stuck with inventory. You need to factor in storage costs. You need to come to grips of how many you need to sell to break even, the point you start turning profit. Maybe see how many people you get to pre-order and throw in the coin to create buzz.

Are these American made? How much for the item? Is it cheaper than your competition (pk rings or watches).

When I do marketing I perform a swot analysis.
Strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, threats.
I think when you do your swot analysis you will see if it's worth marketing.

I am sure you have watched shark tank. We would need hard numbers to determine what the price should be. Hope that helps, and never stop creating magic!
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One advantage of the Coin Cuff over a pk ring is you can show your hands empty. Also there is another band on the market. "Evanesce by Mike Liu" It comes in only one size, and I haven't seen anyone successfully wear it. That trick also is way more bulky than mine. Both of those are more expensive than my Coin Cuff as well. Evanesce costs $59.95, and some PK Rings cost $50. I'm planning on selling the Coin Cuff for $20 right now. Also I call it "The Coin Cuff", not "The Utility Cuff". Its designed for coins, nothing else!
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I like your idea--the concept. Of course it needs to be improved. I need that too haha. Ignore the naysayers. listen to the constructive criticism. How about making it into a magnetic watch band? Hiding some coins temporarily for all kinds of effects would be nice. I would really be interested if it was strongly magnetic, enough to hold steel morgans for example. Also remember the car has been invented before. It is the refinements and innovations to it that make it great . An invention does not have to be great for all, just for those who use and appreciate it.
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I've listened to all the comments, and rebuilt it. The new design is adjustable and fits everyone. It is twice as strong for larger coins. Hopefully I'll get a new video up soon. Until then here is a photo of the new and improved Coin Cuff.

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