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The trouble with transmogrification magic is it isn't card-specific.


Neither are color changes, vanishes, restorations, productions....


I concur. I'm suggesting the more esoteric responses are answering a more universal question about magic. Not a bad question itself.
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The trouble with transmogrification magic is it isn't card-specific.


Neither are color changes, vanishes, restorations, productions....


I concur. I'm suggesting the more esoteric responses are answering a more universal question about magic. Not a bad question itself.


Could you explain a bit more about your position. I am not clear what you are saying and how it applies to this question.
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The trouble with transmogrification magic is it isn't card-specific.


Neither are color changes, vanishes, restorations, productions....


I concur. I'm suggesting the more esoteric responses are answering a more universal question about magic. Not a bad question itself.


Could you explain a bit more about your position. I am not clear what you are saying and how it applies to this question.


I roll a lovely assistant in a giant Ace of spades and cut them in half, then join them again for a whole assistant and a giant Queen of Hearts. I'm suggesting this isn't card magic unless we bend definition beyond reason.
I like the op question as an interesting exercise but without borders it becomes Name a Miracle.
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What sort of borders do you recommend? What sort of card trick would make a Holy Grail? What is the most powerful effect that can be accomplished using playing cards? Why is that not worth considering? The tricks I suggested are real magic effects. Are you saying there is no way to accomplish these effects?
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Mathematically it's the same, but conceptually it's a bit different. The rationalization for how the magician could have gotten a thought-of card to the top of the deck isn't going to be the same for how the magician could have gotten a thought-of card to the 19th position (or whatever).

Not that I think ACAAN is necessarily the better trick.

The effect isn't that the magician "got it there" in either scenario.
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Mathematically it's the same, but conceptually it's a bit different. The rationalization for how the magician could have gotten a thought-of card to the top of the deck isn't going to be the same for how the magician could have gotten a thought-of card to the 19th position (or whatever).

Not that I think ACAAN is necessarily the better trick.

The effect isn't that the magician "got it there" in either scenario.


I wasn't talking about the effect. I was talking about the suspicion that can undermine the effect which we need to deal with.
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What sort of borders do you recommend? What sort of card trick would make a Holy Grail? What is the most powerful effect that can be accomplished using playing cards? Why is that not worth considering? The tricks I suggested are real magic effects. Are you saying there is no way to accomplish these effects?


Considering questions of possibility is always a worthwhile endeavor to push art and science forward. I'm personally reading a narrow interpretation of card-magic that excludes alternate forms such as stage and mentaliam. I'm familiar with your astonishing work and meant no affront.
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I took no offense. I am talking about card magic. I am perfectly willing to talk about just close-up card magic. The questions are still the same. I just am not sure what you are saying.
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I think the holy grail in magic is to put smiles and the sense of amazement on your spectators faces....regardless of technique.

If magicians are your audience, then that statement might be modified.
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I think the holy grail in magic is to put smiles and the sense of amazement on your spectators faces....regardless of technique.

If magicians are your audience, then that statement might be modified.


I would think that that is the barest and most basic requirement of performing magic.

Just a nice drinking cup; not the grail.
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Ok, Pop. That was a simplistic reply.

From a technical point I would say the holy grail is a 100% realible pinky count, and the ability to riffle stack at will. And do perfect, and partial faros with any deck.

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From a personal and amazement perspective I would add mastery of Dai Vernon's Cups and Balls routine....with the wand spin...-;))
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...to put smiles and the sense of amazement on your spectators faces....regardless of technique.

+1 to that basic nice drinking cup Smile
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...to put smiles and the sense of amazement on your spectators faces....regardless of technique.

+1 to that basic nice drinking cup Smile


Beats drinking out of your hands...
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This is LIFE ACAAN 2704 (SUB ENG)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqEY6gwk8ps

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Why blurring the bottom of the pack ?
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If your acaan versions are really as they seem to appear, why don’t you go on Fool us and start a nice career ?
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Dear rich its only my passion..one day I hope that a magician perform my card trick invention!

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Why blurring the bottom of the pack ?


Yeah do those blurs come with the trick? Smile
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Why blurring the bottom of the pack ?


There is also an apparent cut or displacement when the rubber band is removed.
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