Ok, Pop. That was a simplistic reply.

From a technical point I would say the holy grail is a 100% realible pinky count, and the ability to riffle stack at will. And do perfect, and partial faros with any deck.

Kevin

From a personal and amazement perspective I would add mastery of Dai Vernon's Cups and Balls routine....with the wand spin...-;))

+1 to that basic nice drinking cup

Beats drinking out of your hands...

How many times in a row can your method do that trick?

I think method(s) is more appropriate here.

So simply put and looks amazing. 😁

Not sure why there is not more posts here, this looks amazing..."Holy Grail" territory. 🤔


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I think the Holy Grail In card magic is Something that entertain the spectator well.This is the first one. The second one is that it should look like the real magic.It should be incredible. But the holy Grail Which has the meaning of unachievable ,and we have done some magic very well,Like the triumph and some Cards in any location. When we send some limits on it, it will be unachievable. However, I always think that what matters most is the effect. If the limits don't change the effect,It's meaningless.As for me,I like the card in the spectators pocket and think of a card.I don't like the AC CAN
personally.Because I think it has been performed so much times .But it can't be denied that it's a strong effect.

I really want to meet you and See your performance if possible.It's really incredible and amazing if it's true.

Why are we not talking about a true 51FN. One where they stop anywhere in the deck, you never touch the card, the deck is never even in your hands, and your prediction is correct.

-Elisha

Also, I applaud your use of those cards. I have used the same ones, and performing anything with them is a beast.

Any website? Do not do Facebook

It would be nice to get this thread back to the original posters intent and not an advertisement for someone's product. If you want to sell an effect, take out an ad like all of the paid sponsors that help fund this place.

Assuming "holy grail" is a thing that is being earnestly pursued or sought after as defined here :

Something that is quick, interesting (to non-magi), clear, visual, involves spectator involvement, can be repeated (this would normally be a low priority but we're talking grail here), and can be done impromptu (or even improvised).

In my experience, ACAAN doesn't generally fit the bill, as interesting as I find them. It was a weird realization because my first thought was "Holy grail? A clean ACAAN of course!" So this is a good example of how setting criteria up first can really add clarity. As for what is my personal holy grail, I have to re-assess now. Hopefully I'll come up with something, and then come up with how to do it.

Great discussion!

> thing that is being earnestly pursued or sought after

What comes to mind is a 30-minute session that satisfies both me and the audience.

For me, a key criteria is simplicity of equipment: one deck of standard bikes and a black Sharpie.

Why a black sharpie ? You can do amazing things without it. Why a deck of cards ? You can do amazing things without anything too.

It changes all the time, but for now, my holy grail would be able to reveal something someone is thinking of, without that person saying a single word.

A black sharpie helps with The Comet Effect, which is an idea I first learned from Juan Tamaraiz in The Magic Rainbow. By making a personal connection with the playing card (because the spectator signed it), the after effect is longer (the tail of the comet).

A deck of cards is important because the title of this thread is, "What is the holy grail in card magic?" For me personally, a deck of cards is important for card magic.

I was just throwing some provoking questions. No offense to you Shaun ! Sorry if I hurt your feelings !

By the way, we can do card tricks without cards !

No feelings hurt. There is something vaguely Taoist about doing card tricks without cards. That's not something I have pursued, so for me, personally, it isn't a holy grail item ("a thing that is being earnestly pursued or sought after"), whereas for me, personally, 30-minutes of tricks with only physical cards (Bicycles) and a Sharpie is what I have been pursuing for 26 years, on and off. The longer I pursue this, the closer I come to its realization, and the more I go back to simple, direct plots such as The Ambitious Card, Oil & Water, Slow Motion Aces, and The Homing Card. It's compelling evidence that we need to come full circle and rediscover that with which we started.