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"But when I speak of HG tricks I am speaking of what is actually possible and out there already, not "theories" that would be HG IF you could do them. "

Ah, that's a different story. Sorry I misunderstood. Yes, I agree, the Invisible Deck presentation is probably the greatest card effect I've experienced.
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Steve, is it a normal deck ?
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Quoting sirbrad:
"But nonetheless there are many ways to make the spectator think that you actually did this anyway, and having a thought of card reverse itself is just one of the ways. The trick is usually a lot bigger in the spectator's memory than it actually really is, and with great misdirection and presentation it is even bigger. A lot of times magicians try to impress themselves first, then hope that the audience is also impressed. Sometimes they are, but sometimes their lack of knowledge and having no other comparison prevents them from fully understanding just how impressive something really was.

So sometimes it is the magician is who is impressed mostly, we call that "running without being chased". You also have to be careful about the "too perfect theory" as sometimes if something seems to be too perfect it usually is, and the only possible explanation that there is will also usually be the one that the audience will think of as well."

Yes perhaps this is a little off track but this is PURE GENIUS. Very deep and incisive thinking. Thanks so much, we all need to be reminded of this often. To "stay on track" in magic.
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Thanks, yeah as many know on here I have always been a big fan of magic theory and presentation, and deep psychological thinking which is why I posted so many long essays on the subject in the past; back when I had more time to write. All based on my own experiences of doing magic for about 38 years now, and about 29 years professionally and counting. Sometimes you can even tend to "over-think" as well which I also do, which can also provide a lot of valuable lessons. So that is fine, as long as you are aware of it and know in the end what actually works.
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Affirming Mr. Pupkin,
Yes if you could really do magic, would you just have a card at a NUMBER.? In this day and age numbers are kind of boring. As sirbrad said, having a card appear at an impossible location is more memorable to the spectators.

So we are seeing glaring differences between what spectators consider impossible and what magicians use to fool each other. I would side with spectators. I have to get paid for my shows ok.
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My days of performing are pretty much over, but the one effect I would carry around for a serious punch would be Oberon's "Bang On"
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For a bit of humor, there's a youtube out there of Steve Martin doing a thought of card effect for Johnny Carson. When Johnny names a card, Steve holding another card, shouts out... "you're wrong"! Lynn
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Excellent gag ! Especially for those who like to take risks !
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Dear lynnef, I cannot thank you enough. I will use that gag from now on. How about using it for naming someone personal too?

wow so funny. what a great gag especially if you end up right . You could pull so many laughs potentially out of this. I can't thank you enough!!!!!1!!!!!!!!@!!@@@!!!!!!!!
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On Jul 22, 2019, landmark wrote:
Single card face down on the table. Spec names a card. Turn over the card and there it is. Repeat two more times.


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On Jul 22, 2019, landmark wrote:
Single card face down on the table. Spec names a card. Turn over the card and there it is. Repeat two more times.


My five "holy grails" (magician POV)

1 - Derren Brown "Three Of Clubs" Force ...
2 - "Rain man" Sal Piacente (TRS System from Steve Forte)
3 - Move a Card
4 - Acaan
5 - Caan

Spectator's POV : Any DL card trick Smile
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How can we learn your method ?
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Is there something with the strange dealing method ?
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So you can let the spectator deal the cards ?
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I’m lost, maybe drowning in a small canal of Venice…
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Prediction:
Xacaan will soon be available for $500.

Mentalista (previously known as Magic Boy here at the Café), has a long history of creating ACAANs and hyping them here. The last one was $400 or $500 if I recall (different method).

Also, that last video with two decks, I think it uses a different set of methods than the one he performs on Skype. I don't speak Italian, is he using the joker to select the card? Also how does he get the number? I think it's a throw off though...
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If a magician were to do real magic, he would not choose to put a card at a number. Numbers are boring. so what. use a partial one way then switch it out.

for spectators an impossible location of a card, preferably signed, is a miracle. Or even turning mind to mind reading with cards. as real as it gets. I would have to buy No-doze for my show spectators if I did any card at any number they could care less about. this is the wholly fail. but glad you like it.
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I have never seen any ACAAN that I would use in a paid performance. I don't think it is conceptually appealing to laymen. It is popular with magicians because they see the difficulties, and because they can see possible methods.
It is a magician's "puzzle."
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400-500 dollars really ?! There is so much better magic for a so much lower price, I can’t believe someone can pay this price for a single method of such a derivative trick, because I second Pop here, from discussing with laymen, my conclusion is audiences don’t find it as impressive as magicians do…

But I must confess I liked the challenge to try to discover the method of Mentalista. I failed… And the method is obviously great. Congrats !
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There have been a lot of fads in magic. The acaan plot is the latest.
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On Aug 9, 2019, Pop Haydn wrote:
I have never seen any ACAAN that I would use in a paid performance. I don't think it is conceptually appealing to laymen. It is popular with magicians because they see the difficulties, and because they can see possible methods.
It is a magician's "puzzle."


Very insightful, Pop! And it's not just about the counting (cf cards across effects which I've noticed spectators really enjoy). ACAAN IS the holy grail for magicians, who mess with the puzzle on our own, but perform with other effects. One of Jay Sankey's clips shows an extremely simple ACAAN (my favorite, really, since it only has one sleight other than bringing a card to the top!). On the clip, Jay refers to ACAAN "the holy grail for card magicians." So yes, I too feel the allure of the puzzle and understand our obsession with it. Lynn
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