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Pop Haydn Inner circle Los Angeles 3239 Posts 
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I don't see how any of these are anywhere near as clean as the face down card in the spectator's hand turning into whatever card he chooses in his mind. Any Card at Any Number is just so procedural. It doesn't have the simplicity and directness.
Consider the possible solutions. If the spectator has an indifferent card face down in his hand and thinks of any card, and then turns that card over and it has changed to his thought of card, there can be no explanation other than that the face of the card changed to whatever he thought of...real magic. What could be more of a holy grail than that? |
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Mr Salk Elite user Tied to 493 Posts
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On Aug 30, 2019, Pop Haydn wrote: In the future, screens will be so slim and bendable you can make a stack of 52 that exactly mimic a deck of playing-cards.
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The Burnaby Kid Inner circle St. John's, Canada 2969 Posts
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On Aug 30, 2019, Pop Haydn wrote: Two possible barriers... First, the shortcomings of our extant methods would leave us too far away from the target, and the directness of the effect would amplify that. "You switched the card before you put it in my hand." is a hell of a hurdle to overcome. Meanwhile, features of ACAAN (or perhaps something else less encumbered by procedure) could be leveraged to bring the actual effect very close to its target, without easy rationalizations for how it was accomplished. For instance, look at the way the Elmsley Count and Twisting the Aces work together. Second, if you really had the power to change something in somebody's hands that cleanly, is that the effect you would go for? Consider the contrast between changing an indifferent card into their thought-of card, and changing a single indifferent card into five spectators' thought-of cards, for instance.
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Tortuga Veteran user Ballwin, MO 379 Posts
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On Aug 30, 2019, The Burnaby Kid wrote: The latter effect is known as Universal Card. You probably knew that but others might not. |
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The Burnaby Kid Inner circle St. John's, Canada 2969 Posts
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Tortuga,
Actually, I was thinking of a generic multiplication of one card into several. It can be very startling, and is one reason why asymmetrical transpositions can play so strong.
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Pop Haydn Inner circle Los Angeles 3239 Posts
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On Aug 30, 2019, The Burnaby Kid wrote: I think the Chicago Surprise comes close. The idea is a Holy Grail--something that truly seems impossible. If attainability is important, then it isn't much of a grail. Man's reach should exceed his grasp. Personally, I have never thought ACAAN is a strong concept. |
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Mr Salk Elite user Tied to 493 Posts
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The trouble with transmogrification magic is it isn't card-specific.
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Pop Haydn Inner circle Los Angeles 3239 Posts
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On Aug 30, 2019, Mr Salk wrote: What trouble are you referring to? |
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Tortuga Veteran user Ballwin, MO 379 Posts
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On Aug 30, 2019, The Burnaby Kid wrote: Gotcha. I'm not a huge fan of assymetrical transpositions unless there is motivation in the presentation. |
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Tortuga Veteran user Ballwin, MO 379 Posts
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On Aug 30, 2019, Mr Salk wrote: Neither are color changes, vanishes, restorations, productions.... |
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Mr Salk Elite user Tied to 493 Posts
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On Aug 31, 2019, Tortuga wrote: I concur. I'm suggesting the more esoteric responses are answering a more universal question about magic. Not a bad question itself.
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Pop Haydn Inner circle Los Angeles 3239 Posts
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On Aug 31, 2019, Mr Salk wrote: Could you explain a bit more about your position. I am not clear what you are saying and how it applies to this question. |
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Mr Salk Elite user Tied to 493 Posts
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On Aug 31, 2019, Pop Haydn wrote: I roll a lovely assistant in a giant Ace of spades and cut them in half, then join them again for a whole assistant and a giant Queen of Hearts. I'm suggesting this isn't card magic unless we bend definition beyond reason. I like the op question as an interesting exercise but without borders it becomes Name a Miracle.
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Pop Haydn Inner circle Los Angeles 3239 Posts
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What sort of borders do you recommend? What sort of card trick would make a Holy Grail? What is the most powerful effect that can be accomplished using playing cards? Why is that not worth considering? The tricks I suggested are real magic effects. Are you saying there is no way to accomplish these effects?
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magicfish Inner circle 6092 Posts
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On Aug 30, 2019, The Burnaby Kid wrote: The effect isn't that the magician "got it there" in either scenario. |
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The Burnaby Kid Inner circle St. John's, Canada 2969 Posts
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On Sep 1, 2019, magicfish wrote: I wasn't talking about the effect. I was talking about the suspicion that can undermine the effect which we need to deal with.
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Mr Salk Elite user Tied to 493 Posts
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On Sep 1, 2019, Pop Haydn wrote: Considering questions of possibility is always a worthwhile endeavor to push art and science forward. I'm personally reading a narrow interpretation of card-magic that excludes alternate forms such as stage and mentaliam. I'm familiar with your astonishing work and meant no affront.
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Pop Haydn Inner circle Los Angeles 3239 Posts
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I took no offense. I am talking about card magic. I am perfectly willing to talk about just close-up card magic. The questions are still the same. I just am not sure what you are saying.
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kShepher Veteran user Washington, DC 362 Posts
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I think the holy grail in magic is to put smiles and the sense of amazement on your spectators faces....regardless of technique.
If magicians are your audience, then that statement might be modified. |
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Pop Haydn Inner circle Los Angeles 3239 Posts
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On Sep 6, 2019, kShepher wrote: I would think that that is the barest and most basic requirement of performing magic. Just a nice drinking cup; not the grail. |
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