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For me, it is not an either/or question. If you combine sleight of hand with gimmicks then in some cases everything can be examined. Further more, if you start with sleight of hand and they are the type of audience that want to examine everything, then later on when you employ a gimmick they may be satisfied enough from the previous examination that everything is tickety boo.
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On Aug 6, 2019, Mb217 wrote:
Just wondering here, but is this like the old "Coin Catcher & Vanisher" trick? If so, I used to have that thing. Had a lot of fun with it too. Smile

Hi Mb!

I'll PM you! (I'm having fun with this!!!!! heehee
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On Aug 6, 2019, Hare wrote:
It sounds to me like it could be Jim Swoger's "Vanishing Nickel" little gem of a gimmick.


I knew Jim Swoger, but, I don't remember "Vanishing Nickel"!
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Would that also be like Fickle Nickel (John Cornelius)? I had that one too. Nice trick but practicing SOH out-paced it for me, but mileage may vary on that.


Nope! Mg good friend, Doug Henning, used that. I think, on his first TV special in the mid '70s.
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Mb217!!! I tried to PM you, but "Mb217" doesn't "work"!!!!!
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Forgive my ignorance, but can someone enlighten me a little about Coin-Go? Not familiar and I don't seem to see them listed on coin gaff sites. Is there another name?


Now I'm curious, too. Evidently lots of others are, as well.

Doing a search for "Coin-Go" yields little. Not asking for secrets; just want to know what "Coin-Go" is. What's the effect?
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Oksay, Coin Go is a little gimmick sold back in the 1960's. It was made and sold by the Edward O. Drane wholesale company in Chicago. It is simply a pull with a special clip that makes it possible to attach a real coin, from a penny to a half dollar. Never tried a dollar size coin. But I guess it would work. The drawback is you need to wear a jacket. So everyone on the Café would not use it anyway.

The last Coin Go clip was made very nice, and had the feature of not marking up the coin. If you wanted to you could even borrow a coin and vanish it. Then just keep the quarter, as the famous Don Alan once told me, just say, wasn't it worth a quarter to see a real miracle.

I had 2 and several years ago on the Café I sold my extra one very quickly.

I don't know who made the last one I obtained, as the Edward O. Drane company has been out of business for many years, even before the Internet. Maybe they were just old stock that was found, and sold off. Never seen them since.
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Thanks for clearing up the mystery, Bill. As a kid, I remember buying magic products made by "Enardoe" (E. O. Drane spelled backwards). They might have been SS Adams' closest competitor.
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Mb217!!! I tried to PM you, but "Mb217" doesn't "work"!!!!!


Hiya Dick, glad to see you back in action here, firing on all cylinders as usual. Smile

Not sure why the PM isn't working for you, my box is not full or clogged, and I believe I've gotten a few other PMs today???


*Also appreciate that explanation of "Coin-Go" above from Bill..Thanks. Smile
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Thanks for clearing up the mystery, Bill. As a kid, I remember buying magic products made by "Enardoe" (E. O. Drane spelled backwards). They might have been SS Adams' closest competitor.


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I wrote up the "story" on the coin go, and, hit the wrong button, It disappeared like that half dollar.

I'll try to get back with the history, as I know it, in a day or two,
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Just and old fashioned elastic pull.
Should work fine with a long sleeved shirt.
This is a fine example of a good oldie that gets rejected by the guys because they want the new flashy stuff.
Coin Go beats 80% of the new stuff on the Magic Café.
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I remember buying Coin Go from Dick at one of his lectures. Wish I still had it. Was a great item.
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Thanks Wravyn, for the nice "promo"! When the little "clips" were no longer available. I tried improvising them. Finally, I just bored a hole in a half dollar, and, sold, them. Then it got difficult getting the black elastic! My friend, Jim Jayes, found a source and, now I have a life time supply of elastic! I'll PM you.

As far as I know, the late Harold Sterling (Detroit) first made and sold them. Earl Edward's stock had Harold's name on the little instruction card. I never saw any with Ed Drane's name. When Harold retired, Gene DeVoe (St. Louis) got all Harold's "left over" stock. I do still have Enardoe's CC knives. ($1.00 a set, in Abbott's #7 catalog!) A friend of my late friend, Roy Kissell, later "found" a source of supply for a suitable clip, but, when the friend died, so did the source.

Earl wasn't selling any, 'cuz the "motivater" was too short, and the hook up was in the performer's sleeve. No one in Norfolk, wore a coat in the summer! (Short sleeve shirts!), I showed Earl the "side show hook up", and lengthened the motivater, and, we could barely keep them in stock! Wearing a coat, made it easier, but, with care, I do it wearing only a shirt. I've used coin go since 1951! I've sold hundreds for $5.00 at my lectures.

The pull is an ancient gimmick, Too many of the young guys don't know how to use it. One of the "secrets" is that the pull should not "snatch" the coin, like a vanishing cage! It should just slowly work. Like most tricks, TIMING is the real secret.

I don't know anyone that currently sells the coin go. Perhaps it's just too "old fashioed"!!!
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Thanks Dick for that rundown on this.

I do remember the old coin vanisher thing I had being a sorta pull and having an little elastic cord with a little plastic clip at one end that held the coin. You can see it here at this link...

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S3113?gcli......I3vD_BwE

But once I developed better SOH especially as to sl**ving, I didn’t play much with such mechanical things anymore. But it was fun while it lasted. 😁👍🏽
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Some very old magic books say the most deceptive magic is that which uses sleight of hand and gimmicks that are secretly brought in and out of play. Not necessary all the time, but it works for me. I do things with only sleight of hand, of course. But gimmicks can greatly enhance an effect.
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I forgot to mention,,,,,Bill Hegbli said that Drane sold Coin Go in the 1960s. Well, the incident in the EdMar shop in Norfolk, was in 1951, and Harold Sterling's name was printed on the package ("Envelope magic", we called it as fancy plastic "bags" were the cheapest packaging, then). Sterling may have sold it before '51.
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For those who prefer gimmicked/gaffed coin effects the one ESSENTIAL sleight is the Utility Switch.
You wish to employ coins the audience thinks are normal, yet avoid the "examine" request or directive, both that imply the coin might be gimmicked.
You want a handling where the thought of "examine" never occurs at all. Psychology as Dick directs.

Dump a variety of coins on a tray and place before the spectators, possibly commenting on the variety of colors, sizes and nationality.
Observers can handle them or not out of interest with no anticipation of what will come next.

Have one handed to you and perform a magic effect with it. Perhasp ...

"A silver coin - and old style American silver half dollar. Andy, I think there is a copper coin about the same size in there.
Yes, an English Penny. Two colors, two countries." Now proceed with your favorite C/S routine.

Naturally, when taking one of the coins you Switch it for a C/S gaff using the Utility Switch.
At the end either vanish or Switch it back and drop onto the tray.

or - "to make this truly international, could someone please find me a Chinese coin about the same size. Yes, that brass one will work."
Another Switch and you perform your special CSB routine.

This sleight works well since it is very natural to be passing coins form one hand to the other and back and forth with spectators.

Be sure to talk about "their coin" or "your coin" during the presentation.

Gee - I guess you may need a couple of Steal spots about your body, but a pocket separated by cards can work too.
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Excellent funsway and Dick. The psychology of a switch is rarely discussed. Yes, doing it on an offbeat or as a path to something else.
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Whilst I strongly favour SOH I do also use the odd gimmick if I think it will enhance an effect. However for me it's SOH first as this usually means I can just pull the coins out and I can begin, meaning I don't have to set anything beforehand and I don't have to worry about any reset which is an important factor in a working situation.
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