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Makaveli
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So I was revisiting "Coins on Edge" the other day, great book, and as I was playing with the changes from it I kinda came up with my own version. Not sure is something like this already exists so I'll post it here to see what you guys think. I probably just reinvented somebody else move Smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bejxI8lz8Dk
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I'm pretty much a beginner at coins but it looks great to me.
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Nice go there Mak. And you might take a look at this from that position. Smile

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And *that* looks amazing...
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***! I have seen that change before here somewhere. Never had a chance to tell you how amazing that looks. That's Just crazy MB, probably best I've ever seen...
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Not sure how it looks - your hand moves up out of frame at 0:08.
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That was just a quick recording, I promise I didn't throw it over my head Smile

Also I got in touch with Kainoa, he told me that what I did is a mix of the De Manche Change and EG.
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I don't get all this shaking of the hands these days. They know you are doing something when you use these large sweeping moves. Back in the 1960's and 1970's coin magic was not performed using large sweeping moves and visible finger movement that could be easily seen.

The moves were done with very little movement, as in, you move the coin from right to left and drop it on the left palm.

Same thing with card changes today, all this vigorous shaking, what is up with that.
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I am with Bill here.
Magicians love it.
The real audience will just say you are hiding a coin someplace.
Magicians think because you can't see a coin there the audience thinks the hand is MT.
Not so Sam.

Now, all that finger flinging can be entertaining but it ain't magic.

Stone directed in my direction are welcome.

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Yea I am with Al here! You say if Where really Magic How would it Look ??? And that is not It !!! Smile
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These guys are evolving coin magic into something that's fresh and hip. Just like Rock and Roll changed modern music, their style is the future of our art. Of course they know the coin is hidden. They also know you didn't saw a woman in half. The beauty is in the manipulation of the coins. A dance of the fingers that delights the eyes. We are in the twenty-first century and things are changing.
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On Aug 12, 2019, Signet wrote:
... The beauty is in the manipulation of the coins. A dance of the fingers that delights the eyes. ...

Magic involves effective deception. What you've described above is known as juggling. And juggling is not a disgraced art. Juggling has been respected since before the Romans. Magic, by contrast, seems to overstep its bounds, make unwise associations, come off tawdry, and wallow in its own judicious grieving. Smile Smile
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The direction of this discusion surprised me(!).

"I don't get all this shaking of the hands these days." (B. H.)

Watching Mb's Crimp Change, for the first time,...
and second,
and third,..
and fourth...
is what pulled me into Coin Magic(!..!).

Coin Magic,...not Coin 'Juggling'.

It blew my socks off.
It was,..and STILL is,...real magic, to my eyes.

I took the time to learn it.
I perform it in every Show, I do.
....at least once.
I perform, on the open Streets,
for folks,....not out to be 'entertained'.
My audiences, for the most part,
DON'T want to see,....'Maaaagic'.
...they want to get to work,
..get a quick meal,..
get home to their babes..
At the most,..give someone a kick(!).

This effect,
WITH the hand movement;
opens eyes that are watching,..hoping NOT see(!).
Eyes that DIDN'T want to see.
It turns heads,...that are ALREADY looking.
Always.
Everytime.

What more:
the change happens,..not once,
...but twice,..
before totally vanishing.
🎶 Bam. Bam. Bam! 🎶

Maybe,..maybe, we perform best,
the Effects that 'move' US the most(?).
..what we 'believe'(?).
Maybe we attract those who are attracted to what 'attracts' us(?).

On the other hand,
in reference to the movement:
I find it NOT 'un-believible'.
Thinking about it,..
it seems a bit 'hypnotic' to me.
The coin visually changes,...openly,..with-in the movement.
A slow, smooth movement.

Origins of the sleight,
'the de Manche' colour change,
go back 100 years,...
WITH movement and all.
At the pinnacle of Coin Magic.

Mr. Downs' productions and vanishes...all involved movement.
Alan Shaw, Nate Leipzig,...
Max Malini's 'Lady or Eagle' was based TOTALLY on the movement,
of one Coin,
between the two hands.
Again, a smooth,..relaxing movement.

I 'see' real Magic in these effects.
And, my audiences do, as well.
Again, maybe we just sell,
what suckers US,
the best. 🙃

On the move,
gallagher

p.s.: Makaveli, thanks for posting....sharing.
I enjoy your work. 👍
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On Aug 13, 2019, gallagher wrote:
The direction of this discusion surprised me(!).

"I don't get all this shaking of the hands these days." (B. H.)

Watching Mb's Crimp Change, for the first time,...
and second,
and third,..
and fourth...
is what pulled me into Coin Magic(!..!).

Coin Magic,...not Coin 'Juggling'.

It blew my socks off.
It was,..and STILL is,...real magic, to my eyes.

I took the time to learn it.
I perform it in every Show, I do.
....at least once.
I perform, on the open Streets,
for folks,....not out to be 'entertained'.
My audiences, for the most part,
DON'T want to see,....'Maaaagic'.
...they want to get to work,
..get a quick meal,..
get home to their babes..
At the most,..give someone a kick(!).

This effect,
WITH the hand movement;
opens eyes that are watching,..hoping NOT see(!).
Eyes that DIDN'T want to see.
It turns heads,...that are ALREADY looking.
Always.
Everytime.

What more:
the change happens,..not once,
...but twice,..
before totally vanishing.
🎶 Bam. Bam. Bam! 🎶

Maybe,..maybe, we perform best,
the Effects that 'move' US the most(?).
..what we 'believe'(?).
Maybe we attract those who are attracted to what 'attracts' us(?).

On the other hand,
in reference to the movement:
I find it NOT 'un-believible'.
Thinking about it,..
it seems a bit 'hypnotic' to me.
The coin visually changes,...openly,..with-in the movement.
A slow, smooth movement.

Origins of the sleight,
'the de Manche' colour change,
go back 100 years,...
WITH movement and all.
At the pinnacle of Coin Magic.

Mr. Downs' productions and vanishes...all involved movement.
Alan Shaw, Nate Leipzig,...
Max Malini's 'Lady or Eagle' was based TOTALLY on the movement,
of one Coin,
between the two hands.
Again, a smooth,..relaxing movement.

I 'see' real Magic in these effects.
And, my audiences do, as well.
Again, maybe we just sell,
what suckers US,
the best. 🙃

On the move,
gallagher

p.s.: Makaveli, thanks for posting....sharing.
I enjoy your work. 👍


I am actually a bit disappointed where all this went. I mean what one handed change can you do without a bit of waving? Also I recorded that video not so long before I came up with the move. I was excited to show something to the community but oh well...

I have seen this before though, on other peoples posts. It seems like magicians love to bash on new stuff and I don't understand why that is. Guess some people like sticking to the classics.
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The EG2EG sleight does not require handwaving. Kainoa's handling is sensible.
If you're going to shake your hand - make that part of the context. You could play it as nervous disorder or even as actual method as you hand blurs between universes and stops when you have the right coin.

In general if you're going to move your hand - make that motivated by context. For example if one hand is just putting down a coffee cup, the other can come over and transfer the coin before going off to do something else. Check Al's videos for examples of motivated action and focus of attention.
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"Now with a slow shake of the right hand, perform one of the Edge Grip to Edge Grip changes described earlier, revealing the silver coin at the right fingertips as you perform another Spin Display." Kainoa, Coins on Edge
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Kainoa mentions his version of the sleight was designed not to depend upon hand position or gravity.
He's also got a bit of business where he crosses his arms, switching right and left, part way through a coins across routine. Smile Hands move directly, no shaking. If you're okay doing the sleight with both hands, enjoy. Smile
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The motivation for waving the hand during a coin change is that the larger motion hides the smaller motion (the sleight). Waving, or shaking, the hand is used for visual, spellbound-type coin changes, and not for cases where a coin is secretly exchanged. Its purpose is actually to make it seem that there is no motion at all, that the coin stays in the same position at the fingertips and magically changes and that the waving is what causes the change.

I agree that ostentatious finger-flinging with coins--or cards, for that matter--can be entertaining, but is not magic and, in fact, distracts from the very idea of magic being performed. When spectators see you can do all kinds of fancy manipulations (I would say even coin rolls), it takes your image as a magician down a notch.

And while I agree that motivation for any moves should always be worked out and is very important, I consider approaches such as the following silly: "If you're going to shake your hand ... [y]ou could play it as nervous disorder or even as actual method as you hand blurs between universes and stops when you have the right coin." As magicians, are we afraid to say that what we do is magic?
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Even if you don't have a silent script to motivate your actions your audience will fill in what they feel is plausible.
Which of these seems more likely to you:
1) The metal changes when shaken?
2) Doing real magic causes spasms?
3) Tricky sleight of hand done during sudden twitching?
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Signet

You said:

“These guys are evolving coin magic into something that's fresh and hip.”

“We are in the twenty-first century and things are changing.”

This suggests that Bill and I are not a changing or capable of it. I am offended.

Consider some research I have been doing. This clip contains rather advanced technology I suspect you are not aware of.

http://www.worldmagiccenter.com/SecretStuff/SloMoROV.mp4

Here is a clip of something that appeared recently in Genii magazine. Richard Kaufman, the publisher, said there is something deep about it that fooled him badly even though he was aware of the moves used.

http://www.worldmagiccenter.com/MAGIC2/fx4u/4fx.mp4

In November a trick will appear in Genii that is so advanced you will not have a clue how it happens.

The point is that there are significant changes going on before your eyes that you don’t even know is happening. You like many others take the old and repackage it and call it advanced. The real progress is in the understanding of what is going on inside the mind of the spectator; not in the mind of the magician.
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