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"3906 prison suicides occurred during 2011–14 in the 24 high-income countries..."

Okay, so not all the time.
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On Aug 10, 2019, landmark wrote:
I don't believe it for a minute.

From CNN a few minutes ago:
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People familiar with the autopsy report told the newspaper the bones broken in Epstein's neck included the hyoid bone, which is near the Adam's apple.
This sort of break can happen when a person hangs themselves or dies by strangulation, forensics experts told the Post.
Epstein, 66, was found dead in the special housing unit of the federal Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York on Saturday. He was in a cell by himself.
The multimillionaire hedge fund manager had been jailed since early last month, awaiting trial on federal charges accusing him of operating a sex trafficking ring from 2002 to 2005 at his Manhattan mansion and his Palm Beach estate in which he paid girls as young as 14 for sex. He pleaded not guilty to the charges.
Two prison staff members who'd been guarding the unit where Epstein died by apparent suicide failed to check on him that night for about three hours, The New York Times reported Tuesday, citing several law enforcement and prison officials with knowledge of the investigation.
Officials have cautioned to CNN that they don't know what the staff members were doing during that time and are still trying to pin that down.

Misreading between the lines one could imagine both of them were involved in the process. Smile
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Yes, that was the article where I got the 10-20 per 100,000 inmates in federal lock-up figure. See the graph.

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https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2010/12/17/the_direct_route_from_child_sex_charges_to_suicide.html


I may have missed it but that article says nothing about suicides while incarcerated. It seems to imply that those accused of child sex crimes have a higher rate of suicide, but the case it highlights was of a man who committed suicide while not in prison. I don't know that that is relevant to this discussion. Maybe motive. But I think we're talking about means here.

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Https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6066090/


"North American countries had rates ranging from 23 to 67 suicides per 100 000 prisoners." says that study, which basically correlates with the figure for *all* (not just federal) US lock-ups cited in the first source.
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On Aug 15, 2019, landmark wrote:
I was listening to a Penn podcast the other day, and he talked about having gone on a "news diet" for a few weeks. If the results are as spectacular as Penn's food diet was for him, he may have something there.


I hear he's already 10% more ignorant.


Touché!
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Yes, that was the article where I got the 10-20 per 100,000 inmates in federal lock-up figure. See the graph.

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https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2010/12/17/the_direct_route_from_child_sex_charges_to_suicide.html


I may have missed it but that article says nothing about suicides while incarcerated. It seems to imply that those accused of child sex crimes have a higher rate of suicide, but the case it highlights was of a man who committed suicide while not in prison. I don't know that that is relevant to this discussion. Maybe motive. But I think we're talking about means here.

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Https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6066090/


"North American countries had rates ranging from 23 to 67 suicides per 100 000 prisoners." says that study, which basically correlates with the figure for *all* (not just federal) US lock-ups cited in the first source.

No, you didn't miss it. Point is, it happens a lot more often than people realize.
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No, you didn't miss it. Point is, it happens a lot more often than people realize.


Because prison sucks.
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It is also not in general those who are mentally well adjusted who go to prison in the first place.
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On Aug 15, 2019, magicfish wrote:
No, you didn't miss it. Point is, it happens a lot more often than people realize.


Because prison sucks.

Exactly. Especially for someone like Epstein was alleged to have been.
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...Guys my suggestion is to stop watching the news of any sort. You will be happier.



I haven't watched the news in years and had to do a wiki-search to find out what you are all talking about.

... and yes I am happy.
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On Aug 15, 2019, Dannydoyle wrote:
...Guys my suggestion is to stop watching the news of any sort. You will be happier.



I haven't watched the news in years and had to do a wiki-search to find out what you are all talking about.

... and yes I am happy.

As you should be. Comrade.
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Hmph.
As hard as it is to swallow,
Mr. Epstein died an innocent man.

He hasn't even been found guilty of 'suicide', yet.
(A crime in the State of N.Y.)

If 'Justice' is what everyone is seeking,
for 'the victims';
the innocent children.....
maybe their parents should be brought into the picture(?).

Where were they,
while their children were out being 'abused'?

Not to mention, what became of the large sums of money,
allegedy paid.

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As far as any 'Investigation':
isn't it just going to end with,
the way the discussion started:
"I don't believe it!" ?

.....unless of course,
we hear what we want to hear.

p.s: The 'news' gets better at 'reporting' Storys,
...but the Storys don't change much,
do they.....
Kind of like the weather.
Man,,..and how they struggle with that!

Sorry, no 'links' to confirm my thoughts,...
they are just that,..
my thoughts.

Still capable,
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On Aug 15, 2019, landmark wrote:
I was listening to a Penn podcast the other day, and he talked about having gone on a "news diet" for a few weeks. If the results are as spectacular as Penn's food diet was for him, he may have something there.


I hear he's already 10% more ignorant.


"The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers". I am pretty certain that was Thomas Jefferson.
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On Aug 15, 2019, Mr Salk wrote:
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On Aug 15, 2019, landmark wrote:
I was listening to a Penn podcast the other day, and he talked about having gone on a "news diet" for a few weeks. If the results are as spectacular as Penn's food diet was for him, he may have something there.


I hear he's already 10% more ignorant.


"The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers". I am pretty certain that was Thomas Jefferson.

Or, perhaps, George Jefferson.
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Well Thomas was indeed "moving on up."
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Well Thomas was indeed "moving on up."


Having an undereducated misinformed public is practically essential for political success.
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Or a brainwashed one.
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... or both!
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Ignorance is measured in trendy worry stories and sports scores?
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Just heard on the current news that the coroner concluded that Epstein's demise was a suicide. But many skeptics won't be satisfied, will they?
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