The Magic Café
Username:
Password:
[ Lost Password ]
  [ Forgot Username ]
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » New to magic? » » How fast do you learn? (1 Likes) Printer Friendly Version

 Go to page 1~2 [Next]
TeddyBoy
View Profile
Loyal user
New York, NY
297 Posts

Profile of TeddyBoy
I am curious if new or "newish" members could approximate how many new tricks/effects they learn in a 12 month period? I mean really learn so that when you go out for a beer you won't embarrass yourself in front of the lady sitting next to you.

I am asking b/c my learning rate is so darn slow it is becoming a burden that I am tired trying to overcome. I would like to know how I compare.
So many sleights...so little time.
Cheers,

Ted
WitchDocChris
View Profile
Inner circle
York, PA
2276 Posts

Profile of WitchDocChris
Comparison is impossible, honestly. It comes down to each person, and on top of that, each individual skill.

There are things I could do proficiently the first time I tried it, there are things I am barely able to do after years of off and on practice. Each new skill, trick, or routine will present its challenges to you. It's just up to you whether you want to put the work into getting proficient at them. The rate doesn't matter - just work at it until it's right.
Christopher
Witch Doctor

Psycho Seance book: https://tinyurl.com/y873bbr4
Laughing
View Profile
New user
63 Posts

Profile of Laughing
TeddyBoy I can only talk about myself. First up I play guitar which does mean I have strong fingers in my left hand and both hands were quite dextrious before I started magic 2.5 years ago.

I can perform the mechanics of the basic sleights, some I found easier than others. Tricks, that's a difficult one because you could learn a DL/DT a control and the KC principal and have hundreds of tricks.

After 2.5 years I can do an invisible DPS, but interestingly still can't do a pressure fan.

When practicing a sleight I will initially, whilst developing muscle memory, watch tv and repeat the sleight over and over. Perhaps an hour at a time. This doesn't perfect a sleight, it develops the muscle strength and flexibility.

After 2.5 years I can perform about 20 effects of which, maybe 12 or so I would describe as entertaining and somewhat polished.

Hope this helps. Stick with it
ryanshaw9572
View Profile
New user
55 Posts

Profile of ryanshaw9572
It all varies. Showmanship comes with experience. Experience comes by experiencing so just do it!
Dick Oslund
View Profile
Inner circle
8364 Posts

Profile of Dick Oslund
Quote:
On Aug 30, 2019, ryanshaw9572 wrote:
It all varies. Showmanship comes with experience. Experience comes by experiencing so just do it!


Some people are just naturally, have showmanship!
SNEAKY, UNDERHANDED, DEVIOUS,& SURREPTITIOUS ITINERANT MOUNTEBANK
Dick Oslund
View Profile
Inner circle
8364 Posts

Profile of Dick Oslund
Quote:
On Aug 30, 2019, Laughing wrote:
TeddyBoy I can only talk about myself. First up I play guitar which does mean I have strong fingers in my left hand and both hands were quite dextrious before I started magic 2.5 years ago.

I can perform the mechanics of the basic sleights, some I found easier than others. Tricks, that's a difficult one because you could learn a DL/DT a control and the KC principal and have hundreds of tricks.

After 2.5 years I can do an invisible DPS, but interestingly still can't do a pressure fan.

When practicing a sleight I will initially, whilst developing muscle memory, watch tv and repeat the sleight over and over. Perhaps an hour at a time. This doesn't perfect a sleight, it develops the muscle strength and flexibility.

After 2.5 years I can perform about 20 effects of which, maybe 12 or so I would describe as entertaining and somewhat polished.

Hope this helps. Stick with it


A magician does not perform EFFECTS! EFFECTS ARE WHAT THE SPECTATOR PERCEIVES!

A magician performs TRICKS. The TRICKS may APPEAR to be MAGIC, depending on the PRESENTATION AND SHOWMANSHIP OF THE PERFORMER.
SNEAKY, UNDERHANDED, DEVIOUS,& SURREPTITIOUS ITINERANT MOUNTEBANK
Laughing
View Profile
New user
63 Posts

Profile of Laughing
Quote:
On Aug 30, 2019, Dick Oslund wrote:
Quote:
On Aug 30, 2019, Laughing wrote:
TeddyBoy I can only talk about myself. First up I play guitar which does mean I have strong fingers in my left hand and both hands were quite dextrious before I started magic 2.5 years ago.

I can perform the mechanics of the basic sleights, some I found easier than others. Tricks, that's a difficult one because you could learn a DL/DT a control and the KC principal and have hundreds of tricks.

After 2.5 years I can do an invisible DPS, but interestingly still can't do a pressure fan.

When practicing a sleight I will initially, whilst developing muscle memory, watch tv and repeat the sleight over and over. Perhaps an hour at a time. This doesn't perfect a sleight, it develops the muscle strength and flexibility.

After 2.5 years I can perform about 20 effects of which, maybe 12 or so I would describe as entertaining and somewhat polished.

Hope this helps. Stick with it


A magician does not perform EFFECTS! EFFECTS ARE WHAT THE SPECTATOR PERCEIVES!

A magician performs TRICKS. The TRICKS may APPEAR to be MAGIC, depending on the PRESENTATION AND SHOWMANSHIP OF THE PERFORMER.


You are of course, correct Dick
ryanshaw9572
View Profile
New user
55 Posts

Profile of ryanshaw9572
Even those that have “natural showmanship” need to work on showmanship!
Dick Oslund
View Profile
Inner circle
8364 Posts

Profile of Dick Oslund
Some more than others.
SNEAKY, UNDERHANDED, DEVIOUS,& SURREPTITIOUS ITINERANT MOUNTEBANK
Dick Oslund
View Profile
Inner circle
8364 Posts

Profile of Dick Oslund
Quote:
On Aug 30, 2019, WitchDocChris wrote:
Comparison is impossible, honestly. It comes down to each person, and on top of that, each individual skill.

There are things I could do proficiently the first time I tried it, there are things I am barely able to do after years of off and on practice. Each new skill, trick, or routine will present its challenges to you. It's just up to you whether you want to put the work into getting proficient at them. The rate doesn't matter - just work at it until it's right.


Rather well said!

Learning skills, the "mechanics", for some, is relatively easy. For others, it may be very challenging.

Some skills may be more difficult. Much, also, depends on the "teacher"! (book, video, personal mentor, or ?_

I always explain that, I can't TEACH you! I can only HELP YOU LEARN, 'cuz, LEARNING IS AN ACTIVE, NOT PASSIVE "PROCESS".
e
The 1-2-1 rope trick is "ultra" easy. It's "automatic". I could do it the first time.

The Professor's Nightmare was "difficult" (partly, 'cuz I didn't like the "set up move"._ THEN Karrell Fox, realized that the set up move for Gen Grant's "Perfect" Cut & Restored Rope, would "do the trick"! I've done it for 40 years!

The classic story on tricks is: A young lad says to the old timer, "I know how 100 tricks are DONE!" The old timer says, "I know how to DO six tricks!

And, I know how to DO them, so they ENTERTAIN people!"

Putting a new trick in one's act requires three "things":

1, Learn how the trick is DONE.

2. Learn how to DO it.

3. Figure out how to DO it, SO THAT IT ENTERTAINS AN AUDIENCE!!!
SNEAKY, UNDERHANDED, DEVIOUS,& SURREPTITIOUS ITINERANT MOUNTEBANK
Harry Lorayne
View Profile
V.I.P.
New York City
8316 Posts

Profile of Harry Lorayne
So much depends on who you're learning from!!!
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]

http://www.harrylorayne.com
http://www.harryloraynemagic.com
Drylid
View Profile
New user
75 Posts

Profile of Drylid
Quote:

After 2.5 years I can do an invisible DPS, but interestingly still can't do a pressure fan.



I feel your pain!
Drylid
View Profile
New user
75 Posts

Profile of Drylid
Quote:

A magician does not perform EFFECTS! EFFECTS ARE WHAT THE SPECTATOR PERCEIVES!

A magician performs TRICKS. The TRICKS may APPEAR to be MAGIC, depending on the PRESENTATION AND SHOWMANSHIP OF THE PERFORMER.


You are of course, correct Dick [/quote]

Technically, according to the definition..we perform special effects by practical means...
Laughing
View Profile
New user
63 Posts

Profile of Laughing
Drylid, also you are correct "Infinite are the arguments of mages" which I think Ursula Le Guin coined in Wizard of Earthsea. I read this in an English Class in about 1978 and still love the book to this day.

Oh yeah and I don't remember sparrowhawk doing a pressure fan!
Dick Oslund
View Profile
Inner circle
8364 Posts

Profile of Dick Oslund
Quote:
On Aug 30, 2019, Harry Lorayne wrote:
So much depends on who you're learning from!!!


Right Harry!

NEMO DAT QUOD NON HABET! (No one can give what he does not have!)

If I remember correctly, Didn't YOU have "something" to "do" with "Volume Seven" ??? (and, a "few" other books?!?) (heehee)
SNEAKY, UNDERHANDED, DEVIOUS,& SURREPTITIOUS ITINERANT MOUNTEBANK
Dick Oslund
View Profile
Inner circle
8364 Posts

Profile of Dick Oslund
Quote:
On Aug 30, 2019, Drylid wrote:
Quote:

A magician does not perform EFFECTS! EFFECTS ARE WHAT THE SPECTATOR PERCEIVES!

A magician performs TRICKS. The TRICKS may APPEAR to be MAGIC, depending on the PRESENTATION AND SHOWMANSHIP OF THE PERFORMER.


You are of course, correct Dick


Technically, according to the definition..we perform special effects by practical means... [/quote]

Whose definition?

We perform TRICKS, which, if our PRESENTATION IS GOOD (AND ENTERTAINING) CREATES A "MAGICAL" EFFECT.

Dariel Fitskee "identified" NINETEEN EFFECTS, when he wrote, "The Trick Brain", in 1945.
SNEAKY, UNDERHANDED, DEVIOUS,& SURREPTITIOUS ITINERANT MOUNTEBANK
Drylid
View Profile
New user
75 Posts

Profile of Drylid
The definition for the different meanings of effect. Websters 2nd one for effect. In special effects the word is used to both represent what is seen and how it is made. *ex gf is a practical effects artist and that's what school taught*
Harry Lorayne
View Profile
V.I.P.
New York City
8316 Posts

Profile of Harry Lorayne
Yes, Dick, if you're referring to Tarbell #7, I did have "something to do with it"!!
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]

http://www.harrylorayne.com
http://www.harryloraynemagic.com
Dick Oslund
View Profile
Inner circle
8364 Posts

Profile of Dick Oslund
Right Harry!

I was just teasing a bit! Just the indexing of #7 was such a monumental task, that I can't even begin to think about it!

With Jon Racherbaumer's kvetching, I've written ONE book. I can't even IMAGINE the work that you have accomplished!

Thank you for doing what you have done!!!

L'Chaim!
SNEAKY, UNDERHANDED, DEVIOUS,& SURREPTITIOUS ITINERANT MOUNTEBANK
TeddyBoy
View Profile
Loyal user
New York, NY
297 Posts

Profile of TeddyBoy
Thanks for (almost) answering my question.
So many sleights...so little time.
Cheers,

Ted
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » New to magic? » » How fast do you learn? (1 Likes)
 Go to page 1~2 [Next]
[ Top of Page ]
All content & postings Copyright © 2001-2019 Steve Brooks. All Rights Reserved.
This page was created in 0.15 seconds requiring 5 database queries.
The views and comments expressed on The Magic Café
are not necessarily those of The Magic Café, Steve Brooks, or Steve Brooks Magic.
> Privacy Statement <

ROTFL Billions and billions served! ROTFL