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WitchDocChris
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To directly answer your question - in the past 12 months I've learned 2 routines that weren't just variations of previous material of mine, to performance level.
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TeddyBoy
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Thanks Christopher.
So many sleights...so little time.
Cheers,

Ted
Mike.Bonner
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On Aug 30, 2019, TeddyBoy wrote:
I am curious if new or "newish" members could approximate how many new tricks/effects they learn in a 12 month period? I mean really learn so that when you go out for a beer you won't embarrass yourself in front of the lady sitting next to you.

I am asking b/c my learning rate is so darn slow it is becoming a burden that I am tired trying to overcome. I would like to know how I compare.


Hi Teddyboy,

I am a new learner and have only been practicing for 10 months so far.

I have a table that I complete for each trick I am learning. In this table I have different columns: Origins and history of the effect, sleights/moves to learn, patter, angles, ending clean, crowd reactions and other. I do this to consider what I need to work on, the strength of the trick.

- I can't give you a direct number of how many I have learnt, as there are some I consider I have, but wouldn't use as they don't suite my style / I haven't figured out how to make them fit with my style.
- I would say that as a new learner, I am always reflecting on how to improve e.g. I didn't like the Hindu force for the 'Chicago opener', so I am considering ways of doing this differently and found an alternative method based upon my research into the effect and other performances (thank you Whit 'pop' Haydn). This is a reason I am uncertain how many I consider knowing, but I guess there needs to be a cut off of being good enough but still having room for improvement.
- I would advise to focus on a few tricks and do them well, rather than get overwhelmed by how many you know. This was advice that was given to me and I can say that it has improved the strength of the limited number of tricks I perform.

Keep working hard, it may feel like a burden but I am sure there will be a time that your magic improves at a faster rate, the more you practice and become familiar with different sleights and methods.

All the best,

Mike
Pop Haydn
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It takes me a year to three or more years to develop a routine for performance. I usually have two or three things I am working on at any given time. Some things, like the Six Card Repeat or Color Changing Hank only take a year or so, other more complicated routines like Miser's Dream, Phoenix Aces, or Multiple Peaked Cards to Pocket might take six or more years to get to performance level.

It takes much less time to develop routines that are created by others and don't have complicated or difficult new sleights.
magicwiia
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In response to the OP's question about being a fast learner I would say it depends on several things. The complexity of the routines, the materials you are learning from, and the time spent practicing certain fundamentals.

I'm new in 2019 myself and only interested in card work. I spent the lion's share of my "magic time" this year learning two types of a Double Lift...ad nauseum. I know the DL is a move that will find its way into many card tricks I hope to do. So for me, this first year would not be representative.

I'm hopeful to be working on only one new routine/trick at a time. Work it hard and try to become proficient with it knowing I'll be practicing concurrently with the few other routines. That way I will stay proficient on the ones know. Use it or lose it.

At the beginner's stage (aka greenhorn), which is where I am, there are fundamentals you have to learn in addition to the routine/trick. At this stage, my gameplan is to be able to do 10-20 card routines/tricks proficiently. I would call that a success. I'm not looking to do stand up work...just imprompto entertainment at family and friend gatherings. Make people laugh.
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Very well said, Pop!

I was 16, when Senor Charles MARDO, very kindly tipped me the "work" on the dye tube. I learned the moves.quickly. but, several years of experimentation were needed to achieve the presentation that I have now!
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I've been at magic about a year.

I feel like I'm finally about to move up a level. I'm nowhere near performing for hire, but I've sort of mapped out the branches of magic. For me, learning starts by mapping out the subject. After I've built up a general understanding, I can get down to more productive work.

I have a general understanding of how card magic works and have studied a decent amount about mental magic. I've got a few things up to amateur performing level.

I've been working with coins for a few months and have started to practice a routine that may be ready to try out in a couple of weeks.
Josh Riel
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I've been playing a magician for 21 years.
My magic is old enough to drink.

I feel pretty good about 7 effects.
Magic is doing improbable things with odd items that, under normal circumstances, would be unnessecary and quite often undesirable.
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For whatever it contributes to this discussion, I would suggest that you make sure you're not losing sight of HAVING FUN.

A hobby is supposed to be FUN. Even hobbies that require work should be FUN. If you're having fun learning, even at a slower rate than you wish you were learning, the rate doesn't even really matter.

The converse is equally true - if you're learning magic particularly or even impressively fast but you're not enjoying what you do, you're not going to last long.

I'm still a rookie at all this magic stuff and have plenty of experienced people around me to keep me humble. And I love every second of it.
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On Nov 30, 2019, TheMetalMagician wrote:
A hobby is supposed to be FUN. Even hobbies that require work should be FUN.


That is assuming that one only is approaching magic as a hobby. Others may have different intentions or aspirations. Several longtime pros have chimed in here with stellar advice so just being a hobby is not necessarily what everyone may be seeking or where they may be coming from.
Bob G
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Nevertheless, at least for hobbyists, TMM is absolutely right. And suppose you want to be a pro, but hate every minute of magic practice. Maybe it isn't such a good idea to go pro? Being an artist of any kind isn't an easy life. If you don't enjoy the practice, there must be plenty of jobs other than "magician" that pay at least as well and are more secure. Perhaps the aspiring magic pro would be better off looking into such a job -- and one that s/he enjoys. II say this as a magic hobbyist -- and as a professor who has seen many students prepare for jobs that they had misgivings about.


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On Nov 21, 2019, Dick Oslund wrote:
Very well said, Pop!

I was 16, when Senor Charles MARDO, very kindly tipped me the "work" on the dye tube. I learned the moves.quickly. but, several years of experimentation were needed to achieve the presentation that I have now!


Sadly, this was Dick’s last post.

We are all going to miss him sorely!

Dick was always helpful and so generous. On several occasions he generously helped me when I had a need. Just a genuinely wonderful guy.
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walidosama
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I can say it's about the person and the trick

someone who was doing magic for so long most likely to learn the same trick faster than someone new

there is some trick you learn it in 5 min and there is some trick you need 5 years

also some tricks may require you learn certain moves before if you know them before the trick will be easier
if you don't you may spend 3 month learning basic moves

some tricks are self working so it's need no training

there is no specific answer to that question

but you will know when you are ready to go and empresse that girl next to you
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