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This sounds like Quiver but perhaps more organic.

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I placed my order immediately after seeing this. Steve Conner's comment is right on the money...It looks similar to Quiver, but is more organic. Moreover, you can place a full-sized playing card inside without having to bend it. Utility props like this generally offer excellent value because their uses are limited only by your imagination. I also liked that replacements will be available at a considerable discount.
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On Sep 3, 2019, The Mac wrote:
Here's a free lesson :
Don't order anything online if you have just got up from a nap-I just ordered a video called "Backdoor" by mistake.


Now THAT'S funny!!!
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How durable are the envelopes? I would be a little nervous handing them to a spectator. Do they tear easily?
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40 dollars and you get only 2 small envelopes ? So if you want to do a bank night type routine, you have to buy for 120 dollars ? It seems very expensive...


More than you think....What about the money you have to put into the envelopes?
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How durable are the envelopes? I would be a little nervous handing them to a spectator. Do they tear easily?


These look great, just about ready to buy- but this is a good question. I'm curious as to how freely they can be handled buy the spec in general-otherwise, why not stick to the tried and true double-ended 'lopes? There is a point in the vid where you can make out how things work(or at least where they work), so I'd like to know how securely things are 'locked away.' If the spec handles the evelope in the wrong way, will the secret be revealed?
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Bought it at Magic Live from Brent Braun and it is a clever utility.
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On Sep 3, 2019, Jared wrote:
I placed my order immediately after seeing this. Steve Conner's comment is right on the money...It looks similar to Quiver, but is more organic. Moreover, you can place a full-sized playing card inside without having to bend it. Utility props like this generally offer excellent value because their uses are limited only by your imagination. I also liked that replacements will be available at a considerable discount.


It is similar to Quiver in many ways. I think they are both quality devices and they each have their own uses. If I wanted to carry a switching device with me, I'd use Quiver. I personally feel it would be awkward to use multiple wallets in one routine and prefer the envelopes on stage or in a formal setting. If I have a routine that needs multiple switches I think Black Door is the way to go. Also, I think it feels less suspect. A small thin envelope seems very unassuming.
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How durable are the envelopes? I would be a little nervous handing them to a spectator. Do they tear easily?


These look great, just about ready to buy- but this is a good question. I'm curious as to how freely they can be handled buy the spec in general-otherwise, why not stick to the tried and true double-ended 'lopes? There is a point in the vid where you can make out how things work(or at least where they work), so I'd like to know how securely things are 'locked away.' If the spec handles the evelope in the wrong way, will the secret be revealed?


Good questions for sure.

The paper is the same as a high-quality paper envelope. It can tear and it is not made of Tyvek or anything super durable like that.

As far as getting into the secret pocket, if you don't know how to get in it is very difficult to figure it out. At Magic LIVE they handed me an envelope, told me that it was a double envelope and I still couldn't get into it. Then, when I learned the secret thing you have to do yo open it, I could do it with one hand before the convention was over.

Contrast this with an old method I have used. I have used a set of DIY double envelopes for years in my stage shows. More than once I have been distracted and found a spectator had completely disassembled my envelope when I asked them to remove what was inside. I just don't see how that is possible with Black Door. There's no way to accidentally open the secret spot, and even if they know what they are looking for it's difficult to open without knowing the right combination of moves.

The "lock" is VERY effective and the envelope with stand up to many uses and performances as long as it is taken care of.
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Reminds me of the teleport envelope from Ted Lesley, but taken into the 21st century. So looking forward to this!
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Looks great. Any chance of larger versions being made? Or would this be possible for purchasers to make themselves if they had decent DIY skills?
Every problem contains the seeds of its own solution. Unfortunately every problem also contains the seeds of an infinite number of non-solutions, so that first part really isn't super helpful.
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Can this be used the same way as a Himber wallet or is only a 1 time switch?
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Can this be used the same way as a Himber wallet or is only a 1 time switch?


You can switch it, and switch it back without a problem if you are doing the opening and closing.

At any point, the spectator can only open it and get to only one of the two pockets. The spectator can not get into the locked pocket, but the magician can open it and dump the contents into the spectator's hand without a problem.
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No, this is not the kind of thing you can recreate easily. Some of you have skills with gaffs and paper, maybe you'll be able to do it, but I think even those who are pretty crafty will have a difficult time recreating the envelopes.

Alas, the need for refills.
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This looks really good. I have one question: in the trailer, only the magician puts the card in the envelope. I understand why you cannot give the “empty” envelope to the spectator for them to put the card in by themselves. But, is it possible for the magician to hold the “empty” envelope open, with the mouth of the envelope facing the spectator, and have the spectator put the card into the envelope themselves? Or would this risk them seeing something they shouldn’t? Thanks!
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This looks really good. I have one question: in the trailer, only the magician puts the card in the envelope. I understand why you cannot give the “empty” envelope to the spectator for them to put the card in by themselves. But, is it possible for the magician to hold the “empty” envelope open, with the mouth of the envelope facing the spectator, and have the spectator put the card into the envelope themselves? Or would this risk them seeing something they shouldn’t? Thanks!



You could do this, there is something they could see but it's not something that with arouse too much suspicion. With the magician's help the spectator can put stuff in or remove the contents of the locked side.

They don't need the magicians help at all to access the other side.
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No, this is not the kind of thing you can recreate easily. Some of you have skills with gaffs and paper, maybe you'll be able to do it, but I think even those who are pretty crafty will have a difficult time recreating the envelopes.
Alas, the need for refills.


I've been making this type of envelope since 1971, when I called it Switcheroo. It is easily made from most types of envelopes, and the advantage of making it yourself is that you can choose the size, shape and color of the envelope. Of course, in 1971, I was using a low tech solution and it still works just as well today.
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On Sep 3, 2019, goatears wrote:
No, this is not the kind of thing you can recreate easily. Some of you have skills with gaffs and paper, maybe you'll be able to do it, but I think even those who are pretty crafty will have a difficult time recreating the envelopes.
Alas, the need for refills.


I've been making this type of envelope since 1971, when I called it Switcheroo. It is easily made from most types of envelopes, and the advantage of making it yourself is that you can choose the size, shape and color of the envelope. Of course, in 1971, I was using a low tech solution and it still works just as well today.


Jim, is your switcheroo a locking envelope and spectator proof.

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Yes, Steven. That is what this discussion has been about. Switcheroo just uses different technology to bring the locking envelope about. To the spectator, both of these appear to be the same. However, neither method is "spectator proof"; just be satisfied if you can fool the dickens out of them. That's your job as a magician.
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Even though I already had one, I just purchased because I think it would be amazing to have multiple. I’ve only had 1 this past year and there were a ton of uses already.. But 2 or 3 of these opens up a huge amount of possibilities.

Also, these could be made yourself. But it’s not something I’d do, mostly because I just don’t think I’d be able to make it as well. However, I did want to make a big version of this. I think it could definitely be possible with a large envelope.
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