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On Sep 13, 2019, Tom Cutts wrote:
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Curious to know which artist(s) performed, Tom?

Cake and Ben Folds.


I'm not too surprised. Concerts are fun and 9/11 is a downer. Especially for audience members who weren't born yet.
Imagine Duran Duran in the 80's taking a moment of silence for the Kennedy assassination.
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9/11 is a downer. Especially for audience members who weren't born yet.

That is exactly why it needs to not be ignored.
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On Sep 12, 2019, arthur stead wrote:
Curious to know which artist(s) performed, Tom?

Cake and Ben Folds.


I'm not too surprised. Concerts are fun and 9/11 is a downer. Especially for audience members who weren't born yet.
Imagine Duran Duran in the 80's taking a moment of silence for the Kennedy assassination.


Yea. Also I think time and place matter and you sort of imply it is not the time and place. I pretty much agree.

Does anyone announce Pearl Harbor any more? Heck most kids don't even know the date that will "live in infamy".

I am not saying it is right or wrong, but people do move on.
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Sure. But I don't consider it a relegation.
We have to move on, but we must never forget.
Not Pearl Harbor, not 9/11, not the Rape of Nanking (various spellings...sooo many spellings) not The Battle of Britain, not Hiroshima, not the Battle of Hastings.
All extremely important historical events.
History is never a relegation.
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“If we learn nothing else from this tragedy, we learn that life is short and there is no time for hate.”
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Ok when was The Alamo? When was The Maine attacked? The first World Trade Center bombing? You do know there was more than one bombing right? Just how much and for how long do I need to remember, and why?

What about the days WE attack others for no reason? Do you want THEM to remember? When they do we use words like "fanatic" to describe them. Hardly seems fair.

Why remember? To keep ourselves vigilant? To get even? To stay angry? To keep historical perspective and perhaps learn from it?

Again I'm not taking a position, just asking questions is all.
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Ok when was The Alamo? When was The Maine attacked? The first World Trade Center bombing? You do know there was more than one bombing right? Just how much and for how long do I need to remember, and why?

What about the days WE attack others for no reason? Do you want THEM to remember? When they do we use words like "fanatic" to describe them. Hardly seems fair.

Why remember? To keep ourselves vigilant? To get even? To stay angry? To keep historical perspective and perhaps learn from it?

Again I'm not taking a position, just asking questions is all.

I think we as a people need to remember forever- not the dates necessarily, just the event. And if we forget we can remind ourselves by reading about them.
I think history is an important subject.
Just my opinion.
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I think we as a people need to remember forever- not the dates necessarily, just the event. And if we forget we can remind ourselves by reading about them.
I think history is an important subject.
Just my opinion.


I'm echoing Danny here. As a Middle-aged Midwest Millworker, why is remembering The Lusitania important?
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Why; because those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

You might as well ask, “Why visit the grave site of your parents? Move on, get over it.” “Why remember your children killed protecting their country?” “Why remember a fallen officer?”

If all you have is questions, you should probably reflect on your questions until you have your own answers.
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I am not saying to forget. I am asking why remember.

Tom those are ALL very good reasons. BUT if revenge is a reason to remember then maybe it is not such a good thing.
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I think we as a people need to remember forever- not the dates necessarily, just the event. And if we forget we can remind ourselves by reading about them.
I think history is an important subject.
Just my opinion.


I'm echoing Danny here. As a Middle-aged Midwest Millworker, why is remembering The Lusitania important?

What caused it? Who was on board, how did she go down. We learn from the past.
In the Nuclear Industry we call it OPEX, or, Operating Experience. By studying past experiences, from a pinched finger to a dropped object, to 3 Mile Island, we help keep ourselves, and each other safe.
It's the same reason we study crash sites.
The Lusitania is extremely important.
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Context only matters to those who can affect change. Sometimes. Nobody had forgotten about Germany when WW2 started.
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I think we as a people need to remember forever- not the dates necessarily, just the event. And if we forget we can remind ourselves by reading about them.
I think history is an important subject.
Just my opinion.


I'm echoing Danny here. As a Middle-aged Midwest Millworker, why is remembering The Lusitania important?

What caused it? Who was on board, how did she go down. We learn from the past.
In the Nuclear Industry we call it OPEX, or, Operating Experience. By studying past experiences, from a pinched finger to a dropped object, to 3 Mile Island, we help keep ourselves, and each other safe.
It's the same reason we study crash sites.
The Lusitania is extremely important.


We don't revere crash sites. Those who can change things to make them better study them. Big difference.
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On Sep 13, 2019, magicfish wrote:
I think we as a people need to remember forever- not the dates necessarily, just the event. And if we forget we can remind ourselves by reading about them.
I think history is an important subject.
Just my opinion.


I'm echoing Danny here. As a Middle-aged Midwest Millworker, why is remembering The Lusitania important?

What caused it? Who was on board, how did she go down. We learn from the past.
In the Nuclear Industry we call it OPEX, or, Operating Experience. By studying past experiences, from a pinched finger to a dropped object, to 3 Mile Island, we help keep ourselves, and each other safe.
It's the same reason we study crash sites.
The Lusitania is extremely important.


We don't revere crash sites. Those who can change things to make them better study them. Big difference.

I'm not following Danny. Of course we don't revere crash sites. Is someone here revering a historical event that I missed?
We can change things to make them better by studying them. You are correct.
Crash sites, battle formations, bridge foundations, etc. Or we can study them to figure out how to prevent them from happening again. Nuclear meltdowns, Commercial Airline hijackings, military coups, etc.
I get the feeling you don't like history?
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I absolutely do like history.

I do not like remembering for revenge. Certainly you see the difference. I just am not explaining well.
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We don't revere crash sites.

Who is “we”. Ever see a roadside commemoration, usually a cross and flowers placed at a fatal crash site on its anniversary? The 9/11 memorial sites? (Admittedly a bit on the semantic side).

Different cultures have different ways to commemorate their passed relatives.
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I absolutely do like history.

I do not like remembering for revenge. Certainly you see the difference. I just am not explaining well.

Oh ok. I'm not sure where the revenge comes into play. I don't like the sound of remembering for revenge either.
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