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Has anyone ever done an effect like a pk touch, but instead of being tapped, the participant feels like they are being choked. Mind you there is no other person involved, the performer uses psychokinesis to choke the person.

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Yes. Anthony Jaquin was the first I'd seen. Think he only taught it in lectures.
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As the video is private I cannot compare, but a Jedi Mind Choke effect is also part of Bigger Fish Files of Peter Turner
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Jay Noblezada in his Penguin live lecture showed jedi mind choke routine as hypnosis but Has also pseudo-hypnosis out.
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Why would a performer want any spectators to feel they were choking?
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On Sep 19, 2019, George Hunter wrote:
Why would a performer want any spectators to feel they were choking?


To paraphrase Max Maven:

Because people are often attracted to the mystery arts out of a desire for power and/or a feeling of a lack of power in their lives.
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On Sep 19, 2019, George Hunter wrote:
Why would a performer want any spectators to feel they were choking?


I mean they shouldn’t really choke, it’s fake and very controlled choking with their permission.
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To those unfamiliar with the PK Choke effect, it isn't choking like someone gagging on a piece of steak.

It's more the feeling that you can't swallow, and your throat is in a state of discomfort as it, for lack of a better word, has partially "seized up." This does NOT happen in such a way that the spectator feels danger, but rather discomfort.

This can be an amazing demonstration for the participant and for anyone else who is watching.
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Peter Turner's is the most practical I've come across. That one is in the Bigger Fish Files. Jay Noblezada as mentioned has his released on Penguin and was personally for me, the first I've seen for this plot.

Also look into Speechless by Brandon Queen. It runs in the vein of PK/Jedi choke type routines. Very workable as well.
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The effect I've been working on is a little different than that. In my effect the spectator actually feels difficulty breathing. They also admit too feeling a little bit panicky, but theres no real danger. I first came across the version where the spectator feels like they can't swallow in Phathom, but I felt like that was not real enough. They couldn't swallow, but they could still breathe, even with the different experiences. I'm talking about a pulse stop, but with your lungs.

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On Sep 23, 2019, bluejay17! wrote:
The effect I've been working on is a little different than that. In my effect the spectator actually feels difficulty breathing. They also admit too feeling a little bit panicky, but theres no real danger. I first came across the version where the spectator feels like they can't swallow in Phathom, but I felt like that was not real enough. They couldn't swallow, but they could still breathe, even with the different experiences. I'm talking about a pulse stop, but with your lungs.

-Elisha


That would be hypnosis/suggestions then which makes this a fallible effect due to the method being not 100% (since we are talking about suggestions/hypnosis now). So very similar to what Luke Jermay describes in Building Blocks (he doesn't have a method for a psy-choke BUT the principles can certainly be modified and massaged so that we can use it for a psy-choke, just understand that at some points you will be dealing with a DR kind of situation, you can PM me and I'll describe this in more detail if you wish and if it would help you out).
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Sounds like a creepy and ego driven kind of thing to do...unless you're a professional Sith...
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Sounds like a creepy and ego driven kind of thing to do...unless you're a professional Sith...


Who would still be creepy and ego driven. But seriously, I don't want a volunteer to be really afraid for his health. So I agree with Steven this should be fun or at least interesting for the participant and controlled discomfort is as far as I would like to go.
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On Sep 23, 2019, bluejay17! wrote:
The effect I've been working on is a little different than that. In my effect the spectator actually feels difficulty breathing. They also admit too feeling a little bit panicky, but theres no real danger. I first came across the version where the spectator feels like they can't swallow in Phathom, but I felt like that was not real enough. They couldn't swallow, but they could still breathe, even with the different experiences. I'm talking about a pulse stop, but with your lungs.

-Elisha




And that sounds to me like variation of Jay Noblezada effect. What's The difference?
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It look fun routine I would like to see it when you finish it good luck with that
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While I agree it can, I don’t think this has to be ego driven. I think the Nocebo effect is fascinating. If you talk about how (most ?) of “witch doctor” methods work, this becomes a fascinating look at how the mind works. This is a darker version of curing hiccups, which is a great opportunistic effect itself.
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Chocking seems like a liability to me, and communicates something I can’t personally abide, FWIW.
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On Sep 19, 2019, Last Laugh wrote:
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On Sep 19, 2019, George Hunter wrote:
Why would a performer want any spectators to feel they were choking?


To paraphrase Max Maven:

Because people are often attracted to the mystery arts out of a desire for power and/or a feeling of a lack of power in their lives.


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The naysayers seem to be basing their objections on the name of the effect: PK Choke.

It is a misnomer, as there is no choking involved. It would be like refusing to perform a "Bank Night" effect because robbing banks is against your ethos. It's just a name, people.

This type of routine is about demonstrating how words, ideas, suggestion, influence, etc. can have a palpable effect on one's physiology. The few times I've performed it was as an intro to the topic of embodied cognition theory. To that extent, it worked wonderfully to get the audience engaged and focused on the topic at hand...and no one was in danger of choking!
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