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mndude
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As there is not many diploma's of magic that are granted by many colleges, must of us are called magicians once we begin calling ourselves one.

At what point of time did you look at yourself as a magician rather than just a guy that knows how to perform tricks?

After you did your first paid event? After you had your first business cards? After you learned a certain number of effects?

What was the moment that made your transition from John Doe to Magician?
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I considered myself a magician the day I did my first show of about 1 hour and the spectators did not lose interest in what I was doing and got a connection between them and me

I hope my answer serves you
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In 1975 when I was 16 and floored my parents with a perfect Don Alan Chop Cup routine. Then 6 months later I did a show for a bunch of kids in a meeting hall and pulled it off with the Zombie Floating Ball, and the Linking Rings. Then I stopped for 40 years. Regretting that every day. What a wonderful way to make a living.
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Hehehe much more novel than your 2016,

my admiration !!!
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Huh...?

If you have something to say then say it.

I don't suffer fools lightly.

My life does not revolve around this subject.

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21 posts.

Another Magic Café basement FRAUD!

You should come to DC....you'll be right at home. We're loaded with fakes, phonies, and total FRAUDS.
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Probably after your first live public performance (free shows count). It does not mean you are good or even profitable, but you took the step from family to stranger audience.
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I have never considered myself a "Magician". It was others who bestowed that title on me. Performing on stage gave me my real experience though.

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I don't.

I go to ren faires as a jester, with a sign that says "No magic. No sorcery. No witchcraft. Only slight of hand."

I go to Old Sacramento as a merchant who spent time in China as a boy. I now represent the Chinese community. I pretend that I learned a few tricks as a boy in China, e.g. cups and balls. I also have some tricks that illustrate how people bought things during the gold rush (when the U.S. wasn't making paper money and not a lot of coins.)
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Not after I learned a bunch of tricks.

Not after I studied with masters.

Not after my first paid stand-up gig.

Not after my first paid strolling gig.

Not after my first paid close-up gig.

I considered myself a magician only after I put together a full scripted show of original material and mastered the arc and flow of entertaining the audience with it. It's that last part that made me a magician. Doing magic tricks didn't make me a magician. Doing original material got me closer. Truly and seamlessly entertaining an audience with wonder and with my own voice was the final step. When I could do that is when I knew I was a magician.

It didn't hurt that one of my idols considered me a peer after seeing that show, and called it "good work." That "good work" was the best compliment I had ever received.
"Dana Douglas is the greatest magician alive. Plus, I'm drunk." -- Foster Brooks
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This is a very interesting post. You have the progression:
I know the secret
I have performed in public
I get paid, but have a day job
Magic is my day job
I create original material that creates wonder

Then you have the contrast of what I think vs what others think.
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I still don't know how to answer that question as in some ways I still don't feel like I am - however, being referred to as a magician by someone who is a well known and respected magician certainly boosted my confidence to perhaps say I am on the way to becoming one.
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I gotta tell ya Jim! A major thumbs UP on that one!

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The Cambridge dictionary defines a magician thusly:
"A person who performs tricks as entertainment, such as making things seem to appear and dissapear."

If you can fulfill the obligations set forth in the definition of "Magician" you are one.
We might have individuals or small groups with their various requirements, but you can still buy or get every magic related item you want, if you can sucker someone into it, you can get paid to perform magic. You can attack random people on the street with pantyhose thread tied to a card.
You can call yourself a magician.

You don't have to be any good.

Everything else is opinions and armpits.


I'm a magician, been one for years.
Not much good at it though.
Magic is doing improbable things with odd items that, under normal circumstances, would be unnessecary and quite often undesirable.
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Not sure when did I considered myself a magician.
But anyway I will share some thoughts about this.

When did you considered yourself a magician?

Magicians do magic so

When was the first time you did magic?

Magic: the use of special powers to make things happen that would usually be impossible (From cambridge dictonary)

When you did apparently did magic in a entertaining way, and did it again and again, then you were aa magician.

I think that the transition from trickster to magician is slow and a long road so I don't even know if I would considere me a MAGICIAN,
is one of those things that you only know you are when you are it.

Just my 2 cents
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I considered myself a magician after I had learned/mastered much of the sleight-of-hand magic from Henry Hay's _The Amateur Magician's Handbook_--which was before I ever bought anything from a magic shop or learned that there was a magic club for teenagers in my home city. Hay's book also taught some of the basics of showmanship and routining. I was around 15 years old in the early 1960's, and at that first magic club meting I did a short routine with card flourishes and a card trick that I had invented. Most of the other teens in that magic club did box tricks that they had bought from the shop.

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In algeria we have something call the artist id its given by the minister of the culture and art

i didn't get it yet but am trying to get it each time you perform they gives me Certificate of participation

and I can give a copies of them to the minister and a group of people will study it and give me my artist id I will share it in this group once I get it

wish me luck

maybe you have something similar in your country

but am sure once you can do a full shows you can call yourself a magician
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I suppose there's a difference between the moment you consider yourself to be an amateur magician and the moment that you consider yourself to be a magician with enough experience to start performing public shows and charging money for your performances. Keep in mind that many magicians who had a profound impact on our art were not working pros, but amateurs or part-time pros. Paul Curry, for instance, was a vice-president of the Blue Cross Insurance Company of New York. Alex Elmsley was originally a patent agent who later became a computer expert. As I suggest above, there's also a difference between the moment that _you_ consider yourself to be a magician and when _other people_ (i.e. the public) consider you to be one.

----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
----- Sonny Narvaez
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