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justforeffect
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Do you go for psychological illusionist, mentalist, mind reader, psychic, etc?
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Pyschological illusionist. I can't see myself (due to my upbrining, lifestyle, mannerisms and general character) being able to convince my audience I'm psychic.
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I don't. I just do it.
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In describing, merely someone who uses little known psychological skills that we all have, but rarely take time to fully develop. I think psychological illusionist is to all intents and purposes ©Derren Brown and so in my opinion is best avoided.

With mentalist, the public doesn’t have a clue what that means other than the possible crazy/zany/way out person as in David Brent’s comment in the ‘The Office’.

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On 2004-05-26 08:41, Nick Ridge wrote:
In describing, merely someone who uses little known psychological skills that we all have, but rarely take time to fully develop. I think psychological illusionist is to all intents and purposes ©Derren Brown and so in my opinion is best avoided.

With mentalist, the public doesn’t have a clue what that means other than the possible crazy/zany/way out person as in David Brent’s comment in the ‘The Office’.

I absolutely 100% agree, that was why I asked this question!
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My audience never knows. I once tried to explain it with psychology (as a lot of what I do is) and they didn't believe.

It was too real to them.

Indeed I say now that I developed my five senses to a quite special degree. The audience may understand and believe it—but is still astonished.
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I think it all depends on how you present the pyscological illusionist. I don't agree it's copyrighted (sort of) by Derren Brown, since it is described by Banachek long before Brown came along.

However, I do think it stinks of Derren Brown when the mentalist does no research into the psychology part and just says I'm using suggestion. It just looks like a DB wannabe on stage.

However, if one reads all about tells, body language, pop. psychology, NLP, linguistics, hypnotics then he can carry the presentaton very well without looking like a DB wannabe, however, it does take effort!
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I tell 'em I went to Hogwarts.
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That's cute, looch! I don't say anything either, I just do it, I find that they end up labeling me someway or another, even witch!

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I do what people like me have done for millennia of human endeavour to explore the limits of reality and the mind.

And I do it in earnest.

/Bamba
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The Devil is what my wife calls people like us!

:)

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I think this is a very good question.

I always think that the magic/mentalism field is a lot like selling Amway or Timeshare, you really try to show or demonstrate the product before you tell them what it is.

However, if you want to be listed with agents, you need to have a title/description of what you do in order to be saleable. The agent tries to sell you to a client without ever having seen you in most instances, so I think it is critical to come up with a description/title that is unusual and interesting.

A lot of work is done in designing the cover of a book and the title. It is critical in successfully selling it. Same with us, if we want to sell our services. I think the whole package needs to be thought through.

I decided on the Chan Canasta description he used from the 50's—perceptionist—because I am using perceptional deception in a lot of my presentations.

Tom
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Luck and skill, mostly luck though.
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I tell them whatever I feel like telling them. It all depends on my mood. Smile
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Entertainer. Period.

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Like Tom, I too think this is an excellent question.

As a mentalist, too often do I hear someone ask me to do a "trick" or be referred to as a magician. As I specialize in doing mentalism with cards, the problem is further exacerbated the moment they see me pull out a deck. The association of playing cards with magicians using sleight-of-hand "pick a card, any card" is very strong. So I have designed my opening with a succinct yet effective explanation of what a mentalist is and how we differ from magicians.

I explain why I'm using a deck of cards as they are familiar to most and that basically they are an ideal tool to demonstrate my "abilities." I go on to say that while I could use some other familiar items like say vegetables for example, that really wouldn't be very practicle. Carrying around a deck of cards is a lot easier than trying to stick a head of lettuce or a corn on the cob in your pocket. "Here. Pick a leaf, any leaf."

Finally, I explain that what they are about to see has nothing to do with card control, digital dexterity or any other type of manipulations and flourishes, and that fact will be quite apparent to them as my demonstration progresses. And it does since most everything I do requires none of that.

Finally, I say that they will not be able to use the sleight-of-hand rationale as a kind of mental crutch to explain away what it is they are about to see. And because they can't dismiss it away, what they are about to see will bother them and hopefully they will remember the evening's events for a very long time.

:)
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This is a hard question in a world of people with many interest, and few tags to describe them.

The other day I did a reading for a “real” Psychic. A woman who “see” things an all that stuff. A nice woman, completely convinced of her own power. After we finished she gave me her card and told me: “I just cut out the part with my title, because people got very unconfortable with it.” Her title was, of course, “Psychic”.

I found that interesting because I know that a lot of people freak out with the word Psychic, but I get the same reactions with the word “MENTALIST”. Either people doesn’t have a clue, or they see you like if you are nuts. Some people even think that I made up the word! Anyway, very few times the reaction is positive.

So, as well as I will never call myself a Psychic, I neither feel confortable with the word “Mentalist”. (Besides, my work as a performer is broader than that).

I most said that, even with 99.9% of the people here at the Café will disagree, I feel that what I do is Magic. At least, I try to transmit to my audiences the feeling that I am “magical”. I understand that mentalists in general hate to be confused with magicians, but I respectfully think that this is because they are thinking on “magic” in a very narrow way.

I have found the path to understand in some way what I do by visiting Natural History Museums. There I found that “Magic Men” are present in every culture and every society, years before secular magic appeared.

A magicians is not a man who ask you to “pick a card, any card”, but a man who is himself the key that opens the door to a world of wonder.

Magic words, magic objects wich power derivates from storytelling, the cappacity to affect other people thoughts or see inside other people minds, that’s what magicians have been doing for centuries.

Maybe it will sound pretentious but, without losing my essence as an entertainer and an artist, and without entering in the fraud bussiness, I want to be a “Magic Man”. In fact, I feel proud everytime that someone tell me “you are magical”, like those medicine men, or shamans, or wizarsd wich objects, masks and clothes I see at the museums; not because I can “heal” someone, but because I can transmit a sense of wonder that is connected with our primal sense of mistery, with the survival of the spirit, and with life.
Nathan Pain
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EE,

I'm with you all the way!

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On 2004-05-26 17:22, nathanpain wrote:
The Devil is what my wife calls people like us!

:)

NP


Sounds like we married the same type of person. Smile
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I had a feeling you'd say that!

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