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Comedy Writer Special user 594 Posts |
I'm looking for a new card to wallet, wallet. ( I need a front or back pants pocket style.)
What' your goto and why? |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
F1 by Jason Rea .
Reason , it’s out from the start so no going into your pocket which to me makes it cleaner . No palming and a super fast Ioad that is completely undetectable . Best wishes Gaz 🙂 |
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warren Inner circle uk 4138 Posts |
I made a thread to help people with their card to wallet choices that you might be interested in, my personal favourite is the JOL range
https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/view......&forum=2 |
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littlethumbtip Regular user San Antonio, Texas 187 Posts |
Speedloader wallet! Allows for bonsalope envelopes for a second layer card reveal and is made without silly zippers which I guarantee decreases the life usage of your wallet (the zipper ends up sticking or breaking or eventually comes apart). Also, learn to palm. That quiet applause that you get when you fish the card out of your no palm wallet is your audience merely being polite. Do you REALLY think that throwing your wallet over the deck, obscuring it from view (even for only a second) doesn’t raise suspicion that SOMETHING has happened? Do a convincing control variant leaving stranger card sticking out from deck, bottom palm or gambler’s cop south straight to your back pocket (original poster’s conditions) and you are GTG. Lot’s of work for effect, I know, but if you’re going to do it at all....
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
Trust me I can palm great and can do the Jols etc etc no bother .
I prefer not to go to my pocket at all and unless you have seen the handling I am talking about which it appears you haven’t then you don’t know . It’s not the audience being polite the wallet doesn’t appear to come in contact with the deck at all . Your hand going into your pocket is far more obvious imo . Don’t get me wrong to a layman both methods fly by but I can guarantee the f1 does to layman and magicians alike with the handling I use Gaz 🙂 |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
By the way you can leave the card protruding out of the deck with this method too . Infact the spectator pushes their card in after the wallet is already loaded Gaz 🙂
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Bobby Forbes Inner circle virginia beach, VA. 1569 Posts |
I prefer to palm and use the speedloader plus. Going to your pocket is not "obvious". How else are you going to take out your wallet? Having your wallet out before the trick starts kinda gives away the surprise if you ask me. They know something is about to happen with the wallet. If it stays in the pocket till the end... IMO there is no other wallet on the market that loads an unfolded card faster, easier, with no fumbling, uses no guide, and in the front pants pocket than the speedloader plus. Fantastic wallet. You just cant mess up the load.
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countrymaven Inner circle 1426 Posts |
Littlethumbtip, good point. I still think a speedloader wallet is deceptive. But great point. to make it most deceptive, you want to do that.
I prefer something like Mark Mason's card to wallet. It merely seems (and it looks as good as ) the card is coming from the wallet. Why have a 200 dollar wallet when this type of principle is both easier and just as deceptive? IMHO. But I think there are so many methods. I respect whatever works for you. Mentzer's book on CTW is not a bad place to start. Again, what works for you really well what makes everyone gasp, that is the version you want to go with. |
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Doomo Inner circle 2365 Posts |
Here is a quick demo of a load shot at 6am so a lil shaky. But it gets the point of the load across. https://youtu.be/1k3nw6-ox0c
If you ever get to a point where words have no meaning, you're probably talking to a dog.
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egoli Special user The only magician from Que Que, Southern Rhodesia 737 Posts |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
Yes Mark Masons mirage wallet is another good one and neither that nor the F1 wallet have to be out from the start but that’s surely a bonus ? I mean if you didn’t have to go to you pocket with a palmed card to achieve it then you too would have the wallet on the table ?
It’s like the chronologue diary effect if you didn’t need 2 diaries to implement the method you would have 1 diary out from the start . It’s pretty obvious imho Gaz 🙂 |
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warren Inner circle uk 4138 Posts |
Looking at the F1 wallet the plus side is that the wallet is on the table from the beginning however the downside is that the wallet comes into contact with the actual deck for a second. However as with palming wallets as well as none palming wallets it's all down to the presentation and the skills of the actual performer.
However the deal breaker for me is that there isn't a proper compartment to put your bank notes and I don't think you can load anything else into the wallet such as rings, coins etc. |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
The F1 wallet has lots of compartments , it’s a billfold wallet ? Gaz 🙂
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Doomo Inner circle 2365 Posts |
Wow... I guess that load was pretty bad?
If you ever get to a point where words have no meaning, you're probably talking to a dog.
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warren Inner circle uk 4138 Posts |
Gaz in the demo I saw on Alakazam the interior where Peter Nardi kept his Bill's was the same as the way he keeps his Bill's in the Assassin wallet which is very different to how most Bill's are kept in a regular wallet.
Genuine question are you saying it has a proper compartment for your Bill's so that you don't have to fold them and have them flapping about like they do in the demo ? |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
Checked it out mine again fully last night Warren . Half the billfold section is fully open and half is not , so yes you would have to fold your notes . It does have another 2 complete half pockets inside and also 3 slots for credit cards too . I hope that helps Gaz 🙂 ps it does also have the full appearance of a complete billfold too .
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Ray J Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1503 Posts |
I think choice of wallet boils down to your dress and the style of performing you tend to do. If you are going to buy one wallet, then that wallet should be able to handle every performing situation you will encounter. If you rarely wear a jacket, then a long wallet doesn't make much sense to buy. In that case, a bifold that fits into your front or back pocket is the way to go. Many wallets nowadays are smaller than they used to be for that very reason, people just don't dress like they used to. Obviously there are exceptions and some magicians always wear a jacket when they perform. For them, either would work.
To me, unless you are a trucker and have a chain on it, it makes no sense to have a long wallet in your back pocket. It will get messed up or stolen pretty quick. So the smaller ones, which often require folding the bills, are suitable. Regarding having the wallet on the table at the start versus going to the pocket for it, I don't think it really matters much in the minds of the spectator. UNLESS, your loading technique is so poor that it is obvious you are cramming something into the wallet. Also, have a reason as to why your wallet is in view to begin with. Who does that? Maybe you take it out because you don't want to sit on it? I've seen men in restaurants do that. But what if you are standing? Is there a justification for it? If not, then they are wondering about it and maybe they are a step ahead of you and they think the card must be headed for the wallet at some point. There is always another way to look at things. Don't underestimate your spectators. Sometimes they are more intuitive than we think.
It's never crowded on the extra mile....
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
Mine is out because I have
a) done a packet trick from it prior to this effect . b) I have a prediction in the wallet for my card to wallet routine that I show at the start . So it’s fully and utterly justified , I respect everybody’s reasons and agree that it all boils down to the performers own style and reasons . I only take slight objection when everyone dismisses easier options and thinks a spectator must guess how you did it . That’s just not true and I can do a great palmed card to wallet but I prefer the F1 routine I use . I also like the fact that everybody seems to do the palmed version so I like differences sometimes . Best in magic Gaz 🙂 |
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warren Inner circle uk 4138 Posts |
Whilst the F1 isn't for me personally Gaz I agree with both yourself Tortuga that the choice of wallet is down to personal preference.
The spectator shouldn't know the difference between the methods and most of the time they don't ie all they remember when describing the effect is their signed card ended up in the wallet. |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
Totally agree with you Warren my friend Gaz 🙂
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