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Bradley Morgan
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You have a few places to learn the shell game like Bob sheets, Absolutely Nuts Three Shell Game Video,
Sal Piacente: Three Shell Game,
Bob kohler Three shell game

What would be better to get and what do you learn the most with.

Thanks

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They all three compliment each other very well. You should get all of them. If you have to choose, start with either Piacente or Kohler and then add the advanced material from Sheets.

Kohler has a great, simple commercial routine that uses very little sleight-of-hand. Piacente teaches a little more stuff.

The Sheets material is necessary to bring it all home. With that, you can never be beaten.

I also suggest the video by Phil Cass on the shell game. It is a very different approach from those above, and could give you some original ideas on how to approach your presentation.

Eventually, the School for Scoundrels will release our dvd and book on the shell game. It will be pretty complete as a reference on everything from making the shells, the history, psychology and moves of the shell game.
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Thanks you so much, I can't wait to see it.

Best Wishes Always,
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On 2004-05-28 18:13, whithaydn wrote:

...Eventually, the School for Scoundrels will release our dvd and book on the shell game. It will be pretty complete as a reference on everything from making the shells, the history, psychology and moves of the shell game...


I really look forward to this. Whit, could you just debit my account and send it when ready??

BTW, the "Fast and Loose" CD is excellent, and although I've been performing this for around twenty years, I realised I'm still learning. May the S4S last for 1000 years, or maybe longer Smile

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I like Whit's work...

Thanks Whit.

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I too agree with Whit (no surprise there)

I have all the videos except for Piacente (I didn't know about it or I'd have it too) and have learned bits from each of them.

I'm starting with Kohler's "Golden Shells" routine with a few additions of Bob Sheets' "move" to make a gambling routine even more "magical." Phil Cass was fun to watch, and the misdirection for the finale was awesome but I doubt I'll ever have what it takes to effectively pull off what he does.
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On 2004-05-28 18:13, whithaydn wrote:
Eventually, the School for Scoundrels will release our dvd and book on the shell game. It will be pretty complete as a reference on everything from making the shells, the history, psychology and moves of the shell game.

Looking foward to it.
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The School for Scoundrels is a great place with some great props. I have a thimble rig and a set of copper shells from the School for Scoundrels and they are outstanding.

I am also interested in the book and DVD that is coming out. And I have been a into the shellgame for more than 20 years. And it has been a trademark effect for me for a long time. And I have video of it at my web site below.

I look forward to the DVD and book about the shells from the School for Scoundrels.
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Whit is correct.

I have Kohler's video, I'm trying to acquire Piacente's DVD after seeing it at the magic store.
I also have the Patrick Page video which I also like.
I also have the Sheets video.

I've picked up bits from all of them.
Andrew Pinard also has a shell routine that has extra stuff on it that the others do not. But it is not commercially available, that I know of.

Every one I have and I'm glad I do.

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The Camirand Academy of Magic has a very good routine for $12.50 called SUPERSHELLS BOOK by Gary Ouellet. This is an excellent routine. Of course it is in book form only, so if you need a video, you are out of luck.

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The Supershells routine is also on the DVD "The Very Best Of Gary Ouellet Vol. 3". You get all the shell moves you need for this routine and much much more from this DVD(Cards, Coins ...). Great close-up material.

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I learned the shell game from Bob Sheets video.

I've been told to get Kohler's tape, but I've played with Sheets routine for a while now and sorta have my own routine with it.


Mind you, I've gotten tips from Bob himself on how to make the routine work better than how I was doing it.

I've played it in restaurants now for about 3 months, and I never leave home without it.

I would highly recomennd watching Glenn Bishop's routine. I loved watching it. In fact, if Glenn doesn't mind putting the link to it, I'd like to watch it again.


Glenn has some great sutilties (sp?) and the ending is very magicial.

Glenn, I would go so far as to say that you should even put something out on your routine, it really is that good.

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Thank you very much for your kind words James Harrison about my shellgame routine.

It will be coming out on a DVD for mail order from my web site the first week of August. The reason I had to wait to put it out is because I sent away for a DVD copier. When I released my Cardworks DVD I had a hard time keeping up with the demand.

I also wanted to video the shellgame routine with the new copper shells that I got from the School for Scoundrels.

The are a fine set and I feel dress the effect up a lot on the video/DVD.

But both DVD's will be available for mail order the first week of August... Thank you for your interest and your kind words.
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Awesome,

I'll be saving my pennies for that dvd on the 3 shell game.
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I have several vids on the shell game, but more often I tend to refer back to Phil Cass' video when I am looking to somehow spark my routine from time to time. Bob Kohler has some of the better misdirection work, while Bob Sheets also uses some advanced moves that can fool magicians. But I find more times than not, lay people are just as easily taken by the basic moves with the more direct psychology that can be learned from Phil Cass.
But, I am very eager to see the School For Scoundrels dvd. Also, I use shells from the Scoundrel Store that are tremendously smooth to work with.
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THREE SHELL GAME DVD by Sal Piacente is very interesting for students.
You can read more about the DVD here:
http://www.calmagic.com/
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I looked all over that site and found nothing on shells.

Although other dealers carry it, here's a link on Penguin's site that includes a video clip:

http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=815
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I found the Piacente video a bit dissapointing. Firstly I had to get over the very American street presentation which has him warning you that only your knowledge stands between you and getting ripped off. Well maybe but in truth I've never seen the game being played for real anyway...so I feel quite safe!

Not that all that is important. The actual moves are a bit basic. Everytime he wants to prove a shell empty he pushes it forward. Everytime he wants to load it it gets pulled back. I could spot where it was gonna be everytime. Maybe my shell routine is better than I thought or maybe his isn't all that hot - at least the vid has boosted my confidence in what I do but that's not what I pay for!

I've not seen another shell video so I can't compare but I've got a lot more out of the standard pamphlets for the street moves and Supershells for a magic routine.

Are the other vids mentioned more subtle and skillful?
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The fake move on the Piacente video was good. There's pretty good psychology in the moves, I think.

Yes, it's a little "hitman-happy" in the presentation but care.

Kohler's routine is good. His fake move I like even better and it's more simple to do. I think this is the one I like the best. The structure of the moves. Which one comes after which one and why.


The Sheet's move I was not all that thrilled with. It's ok but of all the video's I've gotten the least out of it, I think.

But... in a few more viewings, I could change my mind. They all have something to offer. Some of the offerings take a while to notice.

I suggest getting them all, figuring out your own routine and then selling/trading the DVDs to others.
It's not like you need to keep refering back to them after a while. So get them all.

Lucky for me, I was playing Chinese Checkers with my son and the green balls look exactly like "The Perfect Pea". Just a wee bit bigger but you would never know. So I can use one of those as the hard pea if I so desire.

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What do you mean by "fake move" exactly? Are you talking about a sucker steal/load or an aquitment?

I suppose if you assume that the specs will never guess the secret then the methods on the vid are fine but I don't think you can assume that. When designing my own routine I've been conscious to ensure that the pea is not consistently found under the last shell I pull back and furthermore that my mixing doesn't merely consist of the shells in a row being pushed forward (the being pea s_____), mixed about and then pulled back. I'm thinking that you should at least sometimes give implied reasons why the l___ movement is taking place such as creating diagonal row or triangle pattern.

This is probably too detailed for this forum. I'll start a thread in Secret Sessions.
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