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Looks very similar to Mental Dice by Marc Antoine


Not read the blurb, eh?

I did. But if Marc Antoine version looks far better than the 1976 version (standard size, 3 dice instead of one with 3 different colors, multiple peeks at once), the new Anverdi's version just looks the same as the Mark Antoine version. I can't see any real innovation.
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I'm very impressed with the improvements made to these. I would argue that these would be the best dice of their kind on the market especially when you are getting 3 of them and they are color coded. Love the fact that they are now standard size and are now rechargeable. I don't own this particular set so basing everything from the ad-copy as well as experience with how well the original mental dice from Murphy's.
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I read the blurb once and could tell you at least three improvements Smile

But hey, sounds like you've got your own opinion and I hope you're happy with your dice Smile
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I read the blurb once and could tell you at least three improvements Smile

But hey, sounds like you've got your own opinion and I hope you're happy with your dice Smile


I'm good, don't really have a use for them so I'll pass. LoL.
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These do look quite nice (and I'm not all that big on using tech).

Though, the execution of this feels quite similar to a recent kickstarter campaign that I've seen... "GoDice" I believe. Is this sort of tech becoming a little to integrated into the public awareness?

My other qualm concerns the visual display. I recognize that this is the most efficient means to show multiple numbers simultaneously but I feel something a little more subtle (similar to that used by PM) to be superior because there's no need to SEE anything.

I'm just musing out loud here so I'm not strongly for or against this release... Maybe I'm overthinking things.

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These do look quite nice (and I'm not all that big on using tech).

Though, the execution of this feels quite similar to a recent kickstarter campaign that I've seen... "GoDice" I believe. Is this sort of tech becoming a little to integrated into the public awareness?

My other qualm concerns the visual display. I recognize that this is the most efficient means to show multiple numbers simultaneously but I feel something a little more subtle (similar to that used by PM) to be superior because there's no need to SEE anything.

I'm just musing out loud here so I'm not strongly for or against this release... Maybe I'm overthinking things.

Best,

Drew


I would imagine the PM style of signaling when you have 3 dice in play, that would be a fair bit of a pain in the behind as one would have to keep track of the reads of the individual dice as well as wait for the signals to cycle through. This likely would present a problem as you have to both keep track of which each dice is completely mentally as well as wait for the signals to cycle and if you miss one or two of them, you have to go through the entire signalling cycle again. For a single die, I would agree with you, the PM style of signaling would be what I prefer.
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Right.

I was simply postulating that a visual cue is much more intuitive to a lay audience and thus less deceptive (IMHO). I understand that arguments can be made about cleverly disguising the peek but that still doesn't negate the need to LOOK.

I guess I'm just partial to the PM signal.

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I see Merchant of Magic have them for £319.99
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Right.

I was simply postulating that a visual cue is much more intuitive to a lay audience and thus less deceptive (IMHO). I understand that arguments can be made about cleverly disguising the peek but that still doesn't negate the need to LOOK.

I guess I'm just partial to the PM signal.

Best,

Drew

(Last frustration... WHY must they explicitly show how this works in the trailer?!)


I’m a big fan of the PM version. That said, I bought this, but for different purposes. The routine I use my RD for wouldn’t work with these, yet I already have some ideas of a different routine using these that I couldn’t do with the PM version.

And while layman products are hitting the market, and they show off everything in a trailer, I think that when these things are out in use in front of Live audiences...they have no clue. We are certainly tuned into it, but the general public doesn’t care. I also keep a few dupes with me and give them away if I suspect that they suspect anything.

Looking forward to testing these out!
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The real question is for a routine do you really need three dice at the same time?

I would argue you most likely do not. Obviously we performers can come up with any routine that we want. But I would hazard to say that using three dice
in one routine might be overdoing it - potentially calling undue attention to the potential method.

Occams Razor.

So for my taste... I will continue to use one die.
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That's the beauty, one dice - one spectator
3 dice - 3 spectators - or
3 dice to find the page number in a book
2 dice to deal down to a selected card.

Carry a single die and borrow a coin, place the coin face up on the table and turn your back.

Tell the spectator to roll the dice and whatever number they land on to imagine the coin flipping over - heads and tails that many number of times.

Once they are ready tell them to "just think" would the imaginary coin that exists only in their mind be face up or face down.

And you reveal their thoughts....
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Glad to see there was already something in the making with rechargeable dice. This looks more of what I would be looking for.
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Is there any information on a warranty?
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Mine has shipped...that was quick (Penguin)...i even had a video of it being packed 🤔
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This new Anverdi version ticks a lot of the right boxes for what I'd like to see in a Mental Dice product. I've placed an order.

I already own an original set of Marc Antoine's Mental Dice and it's one of my favorite effects. I purchased it used and one of the dice arrived with a chip in the finish. At the time, I reached out to Marc and he provided outstanding customer service. Despite the fact that I purchased it secondhand, Marc sent me a replacement die for NO CHARGE and he also told me to just keep the damaged die (thus I didn't incur any shipping costs to send it back to him).

Marc recently updated his version of Mental Dice. He changed manufacturers and the new Antoine dice are 1mm smaller than the original version. Also, he is now providing what he calls an "Easy Box". This box is a holder for the Antoine dice and when you place the dice in the box they are automatically turned off and remain off until you remove them from the Easy Box. A VERY nice new feature for dice that don't have rechargeable batteries.

I reached out to Marc (about 10 days ago) to ask about an Easy Box for the original Antoine dice. That's when I learned that the new dice are 1mm smaller and, thus, the original Antoine dice won't fit in the new Easy Box. I was a little bit bummed. Marc offered me a reduced price deal on just the new dice but it was still going to cost me a pretty penny to get the Easy Box capability.

With the new Anverdi Mental Dice announcement, I'm glad I didn't take Marc up on his offer.

How they compare...

Dice Size
Anverdi: ~ 16mm
Antoine Original: ~ 21mm
Antoine New: ~ 20mm

Pros for Anverdi vs. Antoine
Rechargeable Battery in Dice
Receiver is smaller and can be relocated wherever you like
Anverdi are (according to Murphy's site) chip resitant

Pros for Antoine vs Anverdi
Dice are a little larger (better visibility)
Antoine now offers an accessory vibration/thumper receiver that will work with any one of the Antoine dice, which allows non visual communication of the number of that die (similar to what ProMystic offers)

Subjectively, I prefer the Red, White, Black dice of the Antoine version compared to the Red, White, Blue dice of the Anverdi version. I think a deeper, brighter Blue would have looked better for the Anverdi version. The current Blue (as seen in photos) is too pale, IMHO.

At any rate, Anverdi version ordered. It will be really interesting to compare them for range, accuracy, etc. I may end up selling one or the other. Or, I may end up getting the vibration/thumper receiver for the Antoine version and end up using those dice individually for a different effect.

It's too bad there isn't a vibration/thumper receiver for the Anverdi version.

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It was a blast taking part in filming if the video with Murphy's Magic, I am very pleased to work with such professionals. Just incase you did not have a chance to see this, here it is:


https://www.dropbox.com/s/8xnwstql7pzlsf......mp4?dl=0


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It's too bad there isn't a vibration/thumper receiver for the Anverdi version.


A vibration receiver would have added good potential. IMO it shouldn't be too difficult for Tony Anverdi to add a vibration receiver.

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It's too bad there isn't a vibration/thumper receiver for the Anverdi version.


IMO it shouldn't be too difficult for Tony Anverdi to add a vibration receiver.

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I think it might be difficult for Tony to add one all things.considered.

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It's too bad there isn't a vibration/thumper receiver for the Anverdi version.


IMO it shouldn't be too difficult for Tony Anverdi to add a vibration receiver.



I think it might be difficult for Tony to add one all things.considered.

Mark



Vibration receiver for only ONE die in play. Shouldn't be a problem at all IMO. Smile

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