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Chris B
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I would say this is the UK equivalent to the US's dice games, but despite scouring numerous books, I haven't found any references to it. Does anyone here know of any?

I'm also struggling to think of "advantage play" ideas that could be used, aside from a weighted/dead coin.
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I don't know about coins, but I used to play this game with hockey cards when I was a kid...
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Never seen anyone bet money on it (aside from collecting the literal pennies each win). I'm sure someone, somewhere has though. This was more of a playground game for us - I wouldn't say it was the equivalent of street dice games.

With the UK influenced quite easily by US media, it would probably be easier to spread a craps game than think of ways to exploit pigeon toss.
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On Dec 18, 2019, Kimura wrote:
I wouldn't say it was the equivalent of street dice games.


I get what you're saying, and I agree to some extent - but, I've never seen a dice game on the streets in the UK, and I could quite easily find a "penny up" any day of the week. I guess it depends on your area, and who you roll with.

Concerning betting, yes you're right - people start out playing this in school for 50p, but college aged kids are playing with £2 coins. Then, there are money off the table bets, whereby, it looks like one is playing an innocuous game, but money in the hundreds is changing hands. Not quite the amounts I see people playing for over the pond, but then again, we have always done things on a smaller scale over here.

It's like Doc has always said - find and adapt to the games people are playing in your area. That's why Doc has techniques to cheat at Tonk, and Skin (a really good game, by the way); and Tommy has techniques for Kalooki.

Monte and the Shells are my usual thing, but I'm looking to "branch out".
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Further to the above, I'm looking for any historical references to the game - particularly if they describe the varying mechanics/rules peculiar to each area.

For instance, Rudyard Kipling in his poem 'If', writes about "risking it all on one turn of pitch and toss" (penny up). Now I understand it's a metaphor, but I think it also has a basis in reality - that people have historically played this game for more than table stakes.
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On Dec 18, 2019, Chris B wrote:

I could quite easily find a "penny up" any day of the week. I guess it depends on your area, and who you roll with.

Concerning betting, yes you're right - people start out playing this in school for 50p, but college aged kids are playing with £2 coins.


People still walk around with coins in their pockets over there?
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Uh... your butler carrys your coins? Almost everyone who buys books at my shop has coins in their pocket. (I'm speaking of the US)
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