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Iím being facetious, here. Want to make that clear from the start. But there is something that really makes me think.

Iím a big fan of Jim Henson. Iíve been watching a lot of videos of him and his creations lately on Yítube. We all know he was not a ventriloquist, and didnít even claim to be. But when he was live before an audience with Kermit or any of the other muppets..even DESPITE the fact that he moved his lips, the illusion of life was still there. Kermit seemed very much alive in his hands! The audiences ate it up and loved every minute, and somehow were still able to suspend disbelief and no one even CARED that Hensonís lips were moving. It never once detracted from the magic.

I can only say Jim was a genius! He had a special magic. Same went for Frank Oz.

My point is we spend a lot of time perfecting our craft, minimizing lip movement, and yet it all seems to be obviated by what Jim and Frank did. Itís almost like people donít care. But on the other hand, they do care, because a ventriloquist whose lips move (with the exception of Edgar Bergen) can quickly elicit snide remarks and or boos.

Can anyone explain this to me?

Why are we wasting our time?

Again iím being facetious. But it really is food for thought.
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It's the difference between a puppeteer and a ventriloquist.



Disclaimer: I'm not a ventriloquist and do all my work on a green screen with a lot of editing.

Henson had the opportunity to create a character that people/children viewed independent of his presence. So, basically we came to know and love Kermit.

Seeing him perform and moving his lips doesn't change that Kermit (who we know) is right there. We dispel out disbelief every time we go watch a movie and embrace Jedi's, Mutants, and Superheroes.

We didn't care that we could see Kermit's arm rods when he waved his hands, or that his eyes were fixed.
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If the movement of the puppet, his character, and even the expression of the Vent. and ALL is entertaining - who cares if there's lip movement. Even the STIFF jawed Vent, if ENTERTAINING -Audience laughing, who's watching the handler. REMEMBERING - it has to be ENTERTAINING!!!!!!!!!!!!
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On Dec 17, 2019, Russo wrote:
If the movement of the puppet, his character, and even the expression of the Vent. and ALL is entertaining - who cares if there's lip movement. Even the STIFF jawed Vent, if ENTERTAINING -Audience laughing, who's watching the handler. REMEMBERING - it has to be ENTERTAINING!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thatís definitely a key, there. As I mentioned, remember Edgar Bergen.
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On Dec 16, 2019, Animated Puppets wrote:






Henson had the opportunity to create a character that people/children viewed independent of his presence. So, basically we came to know and love Kermit.
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Again, evidence of his genius.
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This thread is like beaten a dead horse again and again. Smile

If your lips move when the puppet talk, don't claim yourself as a ventriloquist, please call yourself as a puppeteer.
Why you have to insist that you are a ventriloquist and not a puppeteer? Puppeteer is get well respect too from the audience, same as ventriloquist.

If you are very entertaining and audience is laughing until rolling on the floor, but still moving you lips while using a puppet, then you also can claim as a comic or a stand up comedian, but please don't claim yourself as ventriloquist.

Edgar Bergen had a good still lips before he has to do radio show and film, said the old birds. So he is a ventriloquist.
Have you see Jimmy Nelson or Paul Winchell, were their lips moving when Danny O Day or Jerry Mahoney talked? They are ventriloquists.
How about Jeff Dunham, Terry Fator & Darci Lynne? They are ventriloquists too.

Ventriloquist is a belly talker period.
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Knowing Edgar B. in person, plus others, including few you mentioned - All didn't ALWAYS have lip control - but they were all considered Ventriloquists.
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Didn't ALWAYS have lip control, mean they have lips control, so correct they were all considered as Ventriloquist. Smile
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Now both Ventriloquist AND figure can have lip movement - both wear Virus Masks L=O=L
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Henson said it himself."no one pays any attention to the man with the beard."..................
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Alone during the virus - am I going MAD ?? - find myself holding conversations with my Figures, Rusty, Cissy, Leo, Louie, and Ist one (Mom bought me 67 years ago) ,Andy (orig. Jerry Mahoney) - L-O-L ha ha ha ha -- I AM MAD
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Only one of mine is talking to me... the other 14 are too busy silently judging me.
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You are MAD - ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha - get me out of this jacket
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