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stevie c
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Hi all. Apologies if this subject has been covered before. I'm a big fan of cyclical s****s as I love how I can cut, appear to shuffle (Charlier etc) and also let a spectator cut the deck a few times. Unfortunately, a couple of times when I've performed recently, spectators have cut the deck in a different way (splitting into three or four piles which potentially ruins the stack) despite my explicit instructions beforehand. Has anyone had similar experiences, and are there any audience management tips to reduce the chances of this occurring??

Thanks everyone

Steve
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I recommend that you study Darwin Ortiz's work, or tape, to see how he handles the audience to cut the deck
he would always demonstrate the cutting sequence not just verbally, but physically to the audience
he would cut the deck himself, complete the cut, ask audience if they understand the action, just to be safe, he would get audience to mimic the same action in front of him
when audience have followed the instruction successfully, then he would turn his head elsewhere.

but again, there're other factors in play, whether audience likes you, or if you portrait any challenge attitude.etc
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Thanks for this help MorrisCH. This gives me lots of food for thought to improve my presentational technique. I will read up on the Ortiz material, and also give more consideration to some of the other factors you mention which I've maybe not been as aware of as I should have been!!

Thank you again

Steve
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You can also refer to Patrick Redford's Penguin Live Lecture 3 which is fully devoted to stack routines
and where you can appreciate his audience management. In addition, the relationship you install with your audience
is important. As already mentionned general considerations, like not trying to challenge the audience
but asking them to be helpfull and sharing an experiment etc etc ... are a way to develop a secure audience management.
But there always will be reluctant spectators. So your set can be built in order to start with a safe routine,
forced card, with no direct public interaction to gauge the audience.
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Hi Fredzik. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I think this is definitely stuff that I can use in the future. Really helpful guys.

Cheers

Steve
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Most obvious - stop using stacked decks! I've written a lot of books JUST FOR YOU, stevie c - 99.99% all IMPPROMPTU card jaw droppers. Ya' gotta' start reading the good stuff!!
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]

http://www.harrylorayne.com
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On Dec 25, 2019, Harry Lorayne wrote:
Most obvious - stop using stacked decks! I've written a lot of books JUST FOR YOU, stevie c - 99.99% all IMPPROMPTU card jaw droppers. Ya' gotta' start reading the good stuff!!


Thanks Harry. This really made me smile but it's also a very good point, and I've started checking out your fantastic books. I may be back in touch with you soon, but in the meantime I have lots of reading to do!!

Thankyou again and best wishes.

Steve
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WE are reading the good stuff. Stacked decks are like having a marked deck without it. It is possible to set up a stack too, while checking a borrowed deck or other reasons.

I don't only do stacked deck work. But part of the bright future in card magic, if you have checked any videos of people rocking people with magic lately (this century), is often done with stacks.
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On Dec 21, 2019, stevie c wrote:
Hi all. Apologies if this subject has been covered before. I'm a big fan of cyclical s****s as I love how I can cut, appear to shuffle (Charlier etc) and also let a spectator cut the deck a few times. Unfortunately, a couple of times when I've performed recently, spectators have cut the deck in a different way (splitting into three or four piles which potentially ruins the stack) despite my explicit instructions beforehand. Has anyone had similar experiences, and are there any audience management tips to reduce the chances of this occurring??

Thanks everyone

Steve


Hi,

sometimes this scenario can happen although your audience management is ok. However, it shouldn't happen too often. Perhaps your wording was not precise or clear enough?

The solution really depends on the situation. Sometimes the only way out would be to peform a different trick - don´t fiddle around with trying to get back into your stack.
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The solution really depends on the situation. Sometimes the only way out would be to peform a different trick - don´t fiddle around with trying to get back into your stack.


Agreed 100%. I know somebody mentioned in a different thread that they are just fine putting the cards back in order openly (I do NOT agree). In this regard, just move onto a different trick. Having a backup trick for this scenario should be second nature for any mem deck work in my opinion.

Think of it this way: you could be perfect in your verbiage but they could simply drop the deck on the ground. What would you do there?

In case anyone is curious, I have several back-up effects but one of the main ones is Las Vegas Leaper. Impromptu, requires no set-up, very strong. I should be clear, I have a couple impromptu card sets, the effects of which represent the back-up effects I can go to.

Final recommendation, using something like what Patrick Redford recommends in his "Temporarily Out of Order" book, in terms of effects that stack the deck.

Best of luck!
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Great tips and advice Chris & Joe ... thankyou for this Smile
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