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In my research across this site, I've run into the mention of this book several times while looking into daub, never pulling the trigger on actually purchasing it...

I have seen other books and forum posts regarding formulas of various marking inks and luminous work, over the years... and generaly these descriptions are old and outdated.

What I would like to know is: if I purchase this book, will I gain relevant information regarding my exploration into making various forms of daub? Are the elements that go into making the daub listed in this book still available? (Still available to purchase without going through a chemical supply company?) Do they still work as an effective marking solution that doesn't dull the back of the card or destroy the finish? Are there suitable substitutes for certain ingredients? (And where do I find mention of said substitutes)

I have been spending lots of money that I don't have recently on various pigments, filters and solutions I have been experimenting with for various marking systems, and am trying not to throw my money away so much anymore.
Regardless of if the information is outdated or not, I am still very interested in, and intent on purchasing this book, however I just want some time for my bank account to recuperate, UNLESS.. the information is still relevant and will help me in making daub tomorrow (figuratively).

Apart from this book, are there any other (perhaps more modern) sources from which to learn various formulas for daub?

In an other thread, I saw expertmagician asking how to make a certain substance (which I will refrain from mentioning) not dull the back of a card...I knew instantly it was regarding daub. Expert, did you ever find a solution to your problem? If so, where? I have a couple of ideas as to what could accomplish such an effect, but I just want to limit the guess work as much as I can for now so I can start experimenting with the various pigments and powders I have.

Any tips or Info would be greatly appreciated!
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Cliff,

What's the application?

Jason

PS: Unless you can source powdered aluminum at your local drugstore, you may have to use a chemical supply company.
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Cliff,

PS: Unless you can source powdered aluminum at your local drugstore, you may have to use a chemical supply company.


Or Amazon.
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Hey Jason,

Application would be to paper, (would be nice if it worked on plastic too) and preferably something that can last for many games but be somewhat forgiving if the initial marking is too heavy.
Indoor lighting, So probably LED since that's what's common these days...
(I'm only guessing that what you meant by application was paper or plastic/settings)

If you meant what kind of marking system or something else, please elaborate. Feel free to pm if you don't want to ask specifics in public.

P.s.
Looks like I can source powdered aluminum from eBay.

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Cliff,

PS: Unless you can source powdered aluminum at your local drugstore, you may have to use a chemical supply company.


Or Amazon.


Almost everything can be sourced "through" Amazon these days, regardless of actual origin. I took his "no chemical supply company" line to mean staying away from ordering online entirely.


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Hey Jason,

Application would be to paper, (would be nice if it worked on plastic too) and preferably something that can last for many games but be somewhat forgiving if the initial marking is too heavy.
Indoor lighting, So probably LED since that's what's common these days...
(I'm only guessing that what you meant by application was paper or plastic/settings)

If you meant what kind of marking system or something else, please elaborate. Feel free to pm if you don't want to ask specifics in public.

P.s.
Looks like I can source powdered aluminum from eBay.

Thanks



My question about application was more along the lines of: what happens if you get caught? Did a card trick just get ruined or something more serious?

As for buying on eBay - I'm confused. I took your "no chemical supply company" comment to mean you wanted to avoid buying online if possible. (I was guessing that there isn't a chemical supply company in your hometown.) But if you ARE willing to buy online, then why NOT a chemical supply company? Doesn't make sense to me. What am I missing?

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Oh, no I wasn't avoiding buying online. There's definitely no chemical supply company in my hometown, at least not one that you can buy from without a license of some kind. (I don't think)

It's just a matter of keeping costs and complications down. I live in Canada where we are not as liberal with letting the general public buy chemicals and items that can be used in explosives and fireworks etc...I don't know of any Canadian specific companies to purchase from, which is better for avoiding shipping across the border or requiring I pay duties or brokerage fees and such. Buying from eBay is generaly painless, lower cost and keeps me from having to pay extra hidden fees, and frequently has free shipping.

As for application, I am not planning on participating in any activities which would lead to a situation where I "get caught".

I do not play in games nor do I perform in a professional situation. I am an experimenter, a dedicated practitioner of gambling moves for no other reason than a cardist practises cardistry. I have been doing so for over 15 years.
I develop my own methods and techniques to accomplish certain feats and work on developing new gaffs or gimmicks in the gambling genre with no idea of what to do with them yet; I am just sort of a collector (+creator) of knowledge and skills.

Essentially what I am looking to do with the formula is to make some type of base daub solution to which I can add various specialty pigments and powders in hopes of making new (or at least unpublished/unmentioned) kinds of daub. I'd be glad to discuss it in private if you have any questions regarding the specificity of said daubs, but without giving anything away, these daubs would exist outside of the red, blue, gold, Silver, black and classic luminous varieties.

Sorry for the confusion
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380-740 not good enough for you, huh?

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Haha, no I'm definitely still there... Just thinking more circular...
And perhaps my aunty stokes can give me some more ideas if you catching my Tokyo drifts
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Almost everything can be sourced "through" Amazon these days, regardless of actual origin. I took his "no chemical supply company" line to mean staying away from ordering online entirely.


Jason


For some reason when I saw the "chemical supply company" I was thinking the concern was that they wouldn't sell in a small quantity, or to an individual.
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You can also buy powdered aluminum at some art stores.
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Finding powdered aluminum in small quantities isn't really difficult ... but making decent daub in your kitchen is about as difficult as it gets!
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Haha, no I'm definitely still there... Just thinking more circular...
And perhaps my aunty stokes can give me some more ideas if you catching my Tokyo drifts


Exciting!
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Indeed exciting ideas... If they work out or not is an other story.

Gary, thanks for the tip, I did see some aluminum powder listed for painting on eBay. I will keep my eyes open next time I'm in the art store.
Turns out I don't actually need the aluminum powder for the formula I would use anyway.


As for difficulty regarding making it, Is there something I'm missing? I finally got the book and have read through the recipies and sourced some substitutes, and some original ingredients. It seems pretty straight forward.
...no? Which part makes it so complicated?
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Which part makes it so complicated?



The real work.
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Which part makes it so complicated?


The real work.


What is the real work?

Just curious.
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What is the real work?

Just curious.


Do you make daub?
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The real work as in painting? Or real work as in physically mixing ingredients? Because as I mentioned before, I won't be using this under fire.
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What is the real work?

Just curious.


Do you make daub?


Do you?
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