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On Feb 11, 2020, NeilS wrote:
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On Feb 11, 2020, IAIN wrote:
Would have been nice if the box could be written on with a dry erase marker, so your prediction is a bit like a real clapper board...


Iain, I think you should offer your services as a magic consultant. So many effects could be enhanced with your input.


u cold easily glue a piece on the side.
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Probably won’t use. Second phase is ok.
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On Feb 2, 2020, pegasus wrote:
Don’t mention Directors Cut here or Mr Pitcher will have another meltdown. Have to agree that Directors Cut is superior to this.


LMAO!!!

Now this is funny! And I know funny!

For the record, your first post was also funny
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Hey everyone!

I just posted a review of CineMental! You can check it out below if you would like to Smile


https://youtu.be/BqqSJsRRr-Q

Hope you find this helpful!
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Lots of options with these cards.

Your not exactly limited to just the two phases taught. I mean they are cards at the end of the day.

Get creative and you can extend the routine.
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I was on the fence about this, especially as I like and use The Director's Cut. But I am impressed with this and with the routining a surprise.

A thumbs up.

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I concur Neil. The shuffling in the 1st phase totally threw me and the second part is bold, cheeky but works! I like it a lot.
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There's a 3 phase routine in Scott Creasey's MMM which will work great with these cards. I don't remember what it is called, but Scott uses words that the audience choose written on blank cards.
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After I perform the first phase I go into a slight variation of Mike Powers effect 21 again.

Instead of dealing in the normal grid I deal direct to the table having them think stop when they see their movie.

It plays pretty strong.

Those of you familiar with it should be able to figure it out 😉
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Here is my latest in-depth review of the effect:
https://www.alexmagicreview.com/home/tri......mavresis

Hope it helps.

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Alex a nice review of a one off performance I have purchased cinemental and I will certainly NOT put it in the drawer but it has some limiting aspects namely for the second phase you cam only do this once in a walk around which has been discussed earlier in this thread. Secondly the shuffle in phase one, which in my opinion really adds strength to the effect, means that a reset is not easily done if you were to attempt to do the routine more than once in a walkaround. Phase one cards can easily be used again for the same effect or in a different routine one of which is shown on the video. Am I happy I bought it - yes, but my previous suggestion of providing a second packet for phase two would make this more versatile
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Hey guys,
Here’s another great CineMental review by The Wizard Product review and a full performance at about 22:10 time.
https://youtu.be/Wql2OtejBVY

Best regards,
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On Feb 26, 2020, Titanas wrote:
Hey guys,
Here’s another great CineMental review by The Wizard Product review and a full performance at about 22:10 time.
https://youtu.be/Wql2OtejBVY

Best regards,
Titanas


Might pick this up after that review.
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I like this a lot - both phases are strong and will completely fool any audience. You just have to put on your best presentation and get the most out of it. Highly recommended - especially because you can go deep into the movies they are thinking of - I'm sure it will not be considered or remembered as a card trick.

Like Directors CUt a lot too, especially due to the classic movie posters. I think I'll prefer Cinemental in the long run due to the multiphase routine.

Best Jan
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Nice effect and the handling for the method in the first phase was new to me. Although I really feel it lacks a strong movie connection by not using copies of the actual movie posters. I just feel that is what most specs would expect to see so the generic movie cards seem somewhat odd and out of place IMO. Phil did a good job designing them but the method dictates that they look like they do so he was limited in what he could do. Most specs probably won't care but I think many will feel like something is off about them but they may not understand why. I feel like perhaps a movie theme was not the best of use of these, that maybe another theme would have suited it better so it still wouldn't have been viewed as a card trick. But all in all, I'm sure to most it won't matter all that much if you just say they are for this trivia game about movies or something and quickly move on.

My biggest gripe about this had to do with the video tutorial. I just felt they did an exceptionally poor job of making things clear. Another one of those "let's just sit down and start talking about it" with no script, no rehearsal, no outline, no bullet points, etc. Always amazes me that magicians are so keen to say practice, practice, practice, before you perform anything, but the when it comes to the video tutorial that all gets thrown out the window and we can just make it up as we go, right?
Wait, what, have someone who has no knowledge of the trick actually watch it first to make sure everything was properly explained? Why would we do that when we are certainly not going to re-shoot anything anyway. They'll figure it out.
Sorry, but being in the video biz makes this is a huge pet peeve of mine. Now having said that, yes, you can piece it all together and figure it out, especially if you have some experience, but I think beginners would be a little confused. I've been in magic for decades but still had to watch it a couple times and I'm still not clear on some things.

For instance, even though you receive about 52 cards, the audience never sees or is aware of all 52. The box is made to hold all of the cards but you only carry half of them inside the box if you use it. At least I think that is the case but I'm not 100% sure because this is never mentioned or addressed at all in the video. Do you carry all 52 cards and remove them and place half the deck aside in your pocket? Again, not entirely sure because it's never discussed. But from watching the demos, in the performances I saw they all just began using half the deck. So why isn't the box sized to carry half the deck? Because you finish with more than half the deck at the end I suppose. Again, not really sure because none of this is ever even mentioned much less explained.

Also there is probably going to be a bit of a discrepancy after you do the s****h and add the cards back to the deck and while I agree that it's unlikely that anyone would ever notice I still think it should have been mentioned in the video. The number of cards in play may nearly double in size for the second phase, right? Well again, still not sure because it's never mentioned.

Anyway, they explained all the tiny details but neglected to provide an overall big picture of what is actually taking place.
Now please let me be clear that, yes, this can all certainly be worked out but that's not the point. They should make it all clear in the instructional video. Honestly, there are still some things I am uncertain about.

I'm still in the process of deciding if the lack of using the actual movie posters is worth making it possible to perform the second phase of the routine. I guess I'll have to try it out and make that determination.

But all in all, while I like aspects of this release, and I'm a huge fan of using movie related routines, I would have to say that my initial impression is that I feel kind of disappointed in this one.
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Nice effect and the handling for the method in the first phase was new to me. Although I really feel it lacks a strong movie connection by not using copies of the actual movie posters. I just feel that is what most specs would expect to see so the generic movie cards seem somewhat odd and out of place IMO. Phil did a good job designing them but the method dictates that they look like they do so he was limited in what he could do. Most specs probably won't care but I think many will feel like something is off about them but they may not understand why. I feel like perhaps a movie theme was not the best of use of these, that maybe another theme would have suited it better so it still wouldn't have been viewed as a card trick. But all in all, I'm sure to most it won't matter all that much if you just say they are for this trivia game about movies or something and quickly move on.

My biggest gripe about this had to do with the video tutorial. I just felt they did an exceptionally poor job of making things clear. Another one of those "let's just sit down and start talking about it" with no script, no rehearsal, no outline, no bullet points, etc. Always amazes me that magicians are so keen to say practice, practice, practice, before you perform anything, but the when it comes to the video tutorial that all gets thrown out the window and we can just make it up as we go, right?
Wait, what, have someone who has no knowledge of the trick actually watch it first to make sure everything was properly explained? Why would we do that when we are certainly not going to re-shoot anything anyway. They'll figure it out.
Sorry, but being in the video biz makes this is a huge pet peeve of mine. Now having said that, yes, you can piece it all together and figure it out, especially if you have some experience, but I think beginners would be a little confused. I've been in magic for decades but still had to watch it a couple times and I'm still not clear on some things.

For instance, even though you receive about 52 cards, the audience never sees or is aware of all 52. The box is made to hold all of the cards but you only carry half of them inside the box if you use it. At least I think that is the case but I'm not 100% sure because this is never mentioned or addressed at all in the video. Do you carry all 52 cards and remove them and place half the deck aside in your pocket? Again, not entirely sure because it's never discussed. But from watching the demos, in the performances I saw they all just began using half the deck. So why isn't the box sized to carry half the deck? Because you finish with more than half the deck at the end I suppose. Again, not really sure because none of this is ever even mentioned much less explained.

Also there is probably going to be a bit of a discrepancy after you do the s****h and add the cards back to the deck and while I agree that it's unlikely that anyone would ever notice I still think it should have been mentioned in the video. The number of cards in play may nearly double in size for the second phase, right? Well again, still not sure because it's never mentioned.

Anyway, they explained all the tiny details but neglected to provide an overall big picture of what is actually taking place.
Now please let me be clear that, yes, this can all certainly be worked out but that's not the point. They should make it all clear in the instructional video. Honestly, there are still some things I am uncertain about.

I'm still in the process of deciding if the lack of using the actual movie posters is worth making it possible to perform the second phase of the routine. I guess I'll have to try it out and make that determination.

But all in all, while I like aspects of this release, and I'm a huge fan of using movie related routines, I would have to say that my initial impression is that I feel kind of disappointed in this one.


Finally someone else mentioned it. I thought the tutorial was incredibly unclear and I agree with all your points above. It was a real letdown for an otherwise very good effect
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I agree 100%, videoman. I felt the same about the explanations.
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Outside of my family, magic is my first love in life and movies/books are my second, so getting this was a no brainer for me. I also have both versions of Directors Cut and love them. I am primarily a walk around close up worker. I will definitely be using this, but not as presented in the training video.

I do think it's cool that the cards can be shuffled, but that is the magician side of me. If you allow the the spectator to shuffle, the reset is lengthy and would make it difficult to do walk around. (It would be great as is in a parlor setting or for other magicians.) I believe if you are doing a convincing false shuffle, a lay audience really won't be the wiser or feel the need to shuffle themselves.

So, for me the first phase needs to be changed for walk around. There are many ways to still have the spectator be in control of the cards, make a choice, bury their card in the center while the magician is totally hands off. (One great way is the handling Richard Osterlind uses in his effect Test Conditions.) The reset is just putting one card back in place and it doesn't matter what card is on top, because of the cyclical nature. This solves the biggest problem in the first phase when doing walk around for lay audiences.

I really like the second phase and think that for table hopping at a restaurant as they are tables of strangers and won't be discussing effects with other tables. Just have some distance between performances. For my work in a corporate, wedding or party situation, the second phase would need to be cut.

However, you have several cards in the second phase that you could add to the top stack to create other really cool effects and have repeatable material for alternate groups. Any effect that requires a duplicate card would work because you can change the duplicate easily between groups, so none of them would have the same outcome. Also, some of the effects possible with Directors Cut can be applied to Cinemental. Many ideas by Juan Tamariz, Michael Close, Simon Aronson, Patrick Redford, etc. can be applied to this as well.

I love the artwork and the feel of the cards. I would love to see another set of cards come out that could be added to this to make it into a "full" deck, but at the same time, I think it is perfectly justified that it's not, because it's not a deck of cards, but a sampling of movie artwork.

In the end, I think that Cinemental is a great way to do a card trick while seeming to be doing something that doesn't seem like card trick at all. I think lay audiences will love it. My biggest concern is that eventually the cards are going to become worn and dirty and it's going to be pricey to replace often.
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I agree 100%, videoman. I felt the same about the explanations.


Seemed pretty darn clear to me...
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I like the effect. However, I also totally agree with Videoman's well-stated post about the unclear video instructions. I had to watch it more than once in order to attempt sought out the pieces myself.

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