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Just being curious, are those fellows who talked abt unclear instruction are not particularly familiar with memorized deck works?

Cos there may be some connection to the methodology of it.

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On Mar 1, 2020, alexhui wrote:
Just being curious, are those fellows who talked abt unclear instruction are not particularly familiar with memorized deck works?

Cos there may be some connection to the methodology of it.

Alex Hui
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No, nothing to do with any memorized deck stuff. Had more to do with combining the 2 methods. As I said, it can all be figured out but it could have been made much clearer. I do videos like this for a living so maybe I'm more particular. This one never would have left my studio like that, at least not without me making it clear to the client that I felt it was unclear in areas. It was almost as if a chapter was left out or something.

I noticed you mentioned in your review Alex that parts of the video could be improved. It's all too common in magic tutorials, they digress on a tangent and then never get back to something, just like you pointed out with not explaining the cue card.

Don't want to make too big a deal out of it. People can obviously work it out. Just a pet peeve of mine. But when it's exceptionally poor I feel it's worth mentioning, and I guess I wasn't the only one who felt that way.
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I think if ppl played around with the effect, then a routine could be determined without the need to sw****. Some could argue that that should be been worked out by the creator and production team, but hey I'm not. I quite enjoyed working out alternative methods here.

Granted there will be some audience management required etc and some restrictions in telling the spectator where to cut in phase 1 and some restrictions in dealing in phase 2

I'm thinking a breather crimp or short card of the momemto cards belowing to the second phase. Phase 1 cards at the bottom, specatator can look at each card at the bottom of deck and move them to the top of the deck one by one or as a bunch, or you do this yourself as you show them the cards if you feel uncomfortable with them handling the deck at this point. SO all the cards relating to phase 1. They should all now be on top of the deck. Perform phase 1, place cut cards back on top of deck. Now cut at crimp (or a pass perhaps) , you should now be set to inbetween phase 1 and phase 2 during the offbeat. (No one knows of phase 2, so shouldnt arise of suspicsion). You should now be ready for phase 2. Put deck in their hand and get them to start dealing....

I would love murphys to release add ons in the future of different movie options for phase 2 to give ppl some options.
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The deck was designed for the sw*** though, so while there may be solutions to eliminate the need for it, there would still be discrepancies if you look closely
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The discripancies are there with or without the sw***. My solution for one deck, in phase 1 you would only see phase 1 cards. Phase 2 only phase 2 cards are seen unless you choose to show some phase 1 cards. Again original method did exact same thing
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To be clear, Im not referring to a discrepancy with the outcome of phase 2, I'm talking about the other cards in that phase.
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I understand the discrepancy you are suggesting and d9nt believe that to be an issue at all
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I've been performing this recently and I really like it. I've varied my performance slightly from the instructions, in the second phase I have the spectator deal the cards face up but tell them to keep eye contact with me and I'm going to try and influence them where to stop.
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On Mar 2, 2020, alexhui wrote:
Just being curious, are those fellows who talked abt unclear instruction are not particularly familiar with memorized deck works?

Cos there may be some connection to the methodology of it.

Alex Hui
Hong Kong


Exactly! Smile BTW, it is one part of 4 parts of my MD routine I presented in my first Penguin Magic Live Lecture... Jan
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On Mar 2, 2020, mmbob wrote:
I've been performing this recently and I really like it. I've varied my performance slightly from the instructions, in the second phase I have the spectator deal the cards face up but tell them to keep eye contact with me and I'm going to try and influence them where to stop.


Nice! Smile I like that a lot ... Jan
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Is anyone aware of a source for the CineMental cards only?
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First of all, I want to thank everybody for your nice comments and feedback. This is my first post! I just wanted to share some ideas with you. For the 1st phase, I don't touch the cards at all. I have the spectator deal down the cards in 2-3 rows. Using my peripheral vision, I am able to reveal their movie. I personally perform this in a parlour setting because I like to take my time with it. Before I start the routine, I give a paper bag with an actual DVD inside for the spectator as a gift for helping me out. Later on, they realize that the DVD matches their choice on phase 2 and it's a great reveal (credit to Andy Nyman).

Tips for the 2nd phase:

1) Keep in mind that the first phase should always be performed first so that the spectator can see that the cards are all different.

2) Have them deal the cards face up, but in a way that when the cards are dealt, they are upside down to them. This certainly would prevent the participant from clearly seeing the cards and as such may help disguise the method.

3) Finally, when the spectator deals the cards in the second phase, have them deal down quickly and stop whenever they want. Dealing down quickly will also help hide the secret.

If you have any questions please don't hesitate to contact me.

Nikolas
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Watch REAL MAGIC REVIEW and PERFORMANCE First, then Tyler Lunsford's review and then if you're still not decided, I suppose you can watch mine - but I am sure you will have bought it by then

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xma_cBmbJAI

Although my review has tips from the creator and a card to impossible location idea .... so there's that
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Regarding the potential problem in phase two, especially if other people are watching closely, one could have the spec deal face down while silently tracking “No, yes, no, yes, etc”. Also, another phase could be achieved by facing a few cards (half pass) at an opportune moment, noting the bottom face up card. Have spec deal face down to a stop, take remaining cards back, reversing them in the process, and reveal the noted card.
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The art work looks EXACTLY like what would be on a Criterion DVD cover (those never have the standard movie artwork.) That's a huge plus for me.

That said - the explanation video feels like a DVD commentary track where the cast and crew are goofing off and you don't actually learn anything new. This is by far one of the worst explanation videos I have ever seen. Are there any plans to re-shoot a more coherent and to-the-point explanation video?
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The tuck case - you say "these are a cool expansion pack set I got for LUCK OF THE DRAW" (the game listed in the corner) then lay the tuck face down on the table and it will double as your crib. For the second phase there are lots of things you can do. Currently I just say "quickly deal down..."

But you could also say "count out the cards out loud as you deal them to the table" the act of counting distracts from them remembering what they're dealing - that same technique is used in Vanished and Gone by Peter Duffie

You could also hand them the cards "reversed' so the titles FACE you - then they can't read them as they deal .....

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Cinemental small effect with massive kick as it unfolds. The tutorial is brilliant Nikolas and Titanas are excellent and comical throughout. So simple to do and uses amazing principles. Phil Smith has designed a wickedly deceptive set, as he always does with what he designs. This definitely does not feel or leave the spectator the idea it was a card trick, as it never feels like one.
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What makes the second half of this effect so strong is the complete freedom the spectator is given when dealing and the casualness with which you can direct them. after the trick is done, they will say “I could have stopped anywhere and I saw every card that went down.” Speeding them along or forcing them to look at you when dealing destroys that. Yes it is possible they may notice something when dealing, but very unlikely given the structure of the routine. Like card under glass or any effect relying on directing the spectator’s attention there is some risk of being caught out, but that’s just the nature of the effect. I wouldn’t change card under glass by repeatedly forcing the spectator to look into my eyes or by rapidly increasing the tempo. If you’re concerned with getting caught, just do a different trick.
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I get why people are hesitant. The second phase feels ballsy, and until you've done it a bunch it can feel like it's TOO ballsy. You have to trust the system.

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So, I did order it and I am learning it right now, I do like it, except for one thing and if I would have known this before, I might not have purchased it. It's the outcome of the 2nd phase. I do perform for German and English speaking audiences, mainly in Switzerland, most of the time it is totally fine to use an English movie title, we are used to this and it goes a bit with today's pop culture. But....why this movie? why not choosing a movie that has a very clear title? why not choosing a very famous, well known movie? I do love movies, all kinds and I am all in for the classics - but I would have liked if this would have been a more recogniseable movie.

I also have Directors Cut and find it very useful if the movie has been seen by the spectator, it makes the reading, or the prediction more interesting.

Anyway, I will have to test it and see the reactions on phase 2.

rgds
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