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Anyone who agrees with Brett should do themselves a massive favour and look at the link on the unmasked magicians post. Most of you are coming from a good place, and dislike this for valid and fair reasons, but itís obvious Brett isnít coming from the same place as you guys. He has some sort of weird vendetta.

Another example (you need 50 posts to view): https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?

Thanks unmasked for being attention to that thread, I hadnít seen it before.
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This thread isnít about Brett guys. Donít give him the attention he want.
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Thatís another way of looking at this, Ceierry. And you have a very valid point. On the other hand: when you are aware of this you stand up against this behaviour with your wallet. Since knowing about this I have chosen to buy Svensations, the A4 Svengali Notebook by Alan Wong, etc. Excellent quality and made by a guys that behave in a way that I can appreciate.
Please check regularly if you are becoming the type of magician Jerry Seinfeld jokes about. (This applies to mentalists as well.)
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A friend of mine showed me this product of Jo„o Miranda. I think it is very well made. I had a very close look at it and yes - nothing to see. Nice. For close Up the reset would be a bit too long for me (In my field I am working), but as a stand up piece - perfect. My 2 cents only. Best wishes! T
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On Mar 13, 2020, tomd wrote:
Another example (you need 50 posts to view): https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?

Thanks unmasked for being attention to that thread, I hadnít seen it before.


You're welcome, tomd! Could you repost the link you shared, as it seems to be incomplete?
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On Mar 13, 2020, The Unmasked Magician wrote:
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On Mar 13, 2020, tomd wrote:
Another example (you need 50 posts to view): https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?

Thanks unmasked for being attention to that thread, I hadnít seen it before.


You're welcome, tomd! Could you repost the link you shared, as it seems to be incomplete?

My bad mate.

Here you go: https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/view......&start=0
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I don't care whether people like me or not.

I always call 'em as I see 'em. No BS

I always take care of our customers - I always try to innovate and share.

Now as Narendra says, moving along Smile


No man.
Because I wrote something before I will this time jump in and say that an one-sided ''I call 'em as I see 'em. No BS.' attitude doesn't work anywhere.
Except maybe in already totally polarised situations.
There is no middle ground in your logic and the way you think you want to have this discussion.

You should have thought about moving along earlier.
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Thatís another way of looking at this, Ceierry. And you have a very valid point. On the other hand: when you are aware of this you stand up against this behaviour with your wallet. Since knowing about this I have chosen to buy Svensations, the A4 Svengali Notebook by Alan Wong, etc. Excellent quality and made by a guys that behave in a way that I can appreciate.


Same here!
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Man, I kinda bummed because before the all the inflammatory language knocked this conversation off-course, we were having a nice discussion about Metal Phone, how it compares with IR and the matchbox versions, what category of effect this is and how the different presentations of this trick affect the spectator's perception of the magic?

Let's get back to that discussion...

I'm curious if removing the metal and screws designed to look like a camera lens would affect the perception of this "engineered"? Likely not due to the metal still being sized perfectly to the case, thought all versions suffer from that same perfectly sized flaw.

Any of these effects seem to suffer from the same flaw, at least to me, which is that the block of metal seems incongruent. The only reason it seems to be there is to prove that the penetration phase was supposedly impossible. The trick isn't really a transformation effect because the original item (phone/cards/matches) is never shown. It can't be an appearance because the container was never shown empty. Even the penetration effect seems a little weak to me anyways, because the spectator never actually sees what is being penetrated until the end. At that point, either the block appeared after the object was removed from the hole, or the object penetrated the metal block but either can be true which muddies things initially. I suspect most magicians play this as a penetration. But it's not really. Maybe it's just my perception, but a penetration effect usually is clear about what is being penetrated. A magician may cover said object to penetrate it (mirror, coat thru jacket, balloon, glass, card, table, etc.) but WHAT is being penetrated is most always clear, obvious and generally is shown prior to the penatration. It is not the so in MP, IR or the matchbox version. Additionally, the effect points directly to the method. IMHO, YMMV...
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The "Camera" supposedly is part of the secret for the locking mechanism. So can't remove it, unfortunately.
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I agree itís been a very nice and elaborate discussion. I also feel like I said all I have to say about this. So thanks for your points of view, gentlemen. Itís been a pleasure.
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I kinda had a feeling...

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The "Camera" supposedly is part of the secret for the locking mechanism. So can't remove it, unfortunately.
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I may be wrong as I donít own this but I thought the reason for the ďcameraĒ was to take some of the heat off the set screw on the bottom edge which is actually what locks the phoneís movement. I donít think it would be too much exposure for Joao or a phone owner to clarify this.
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This (as with IR and matchbox) and numerous effects that do NOT look or seem normal, and make no sense....

As long as you have fun. And entertain your audience. You are good to go. Move on to the next effect.

I know for me, no one overthinks or questions me or says that the block isn't real, and no card deck/case would be metal, or those red soft ball thingys make no sense, what are they??? Or why would you put a half dollar through a table? on and on...

If they go home and think "I know Mike did something with that block for the card to go through it! I know it!!!
That's great! They're thinking of me and my performance. Who cares!


This absolutely makes ZERO sense to do. But I can't wait to get mine! And do it!!!!
I sadly have to wait until July!!!! Noooooooooooooo!!!!

My IR has been (and will continue) to be a GREAT effect that WORKS! This will too!

I also truly appreciate everyone thinking critical on this. Discussing how thy don't see how it makes sense and their thoughts. That's what the Cafť is all about.


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This (as with IR and matchbox) and numerous effects that do NOT look or seem normal, and make no sense....

As long as you have fun. And entertain your audience. You are good to go. Move on to the next effect.

I know for me, no one overthinks or questions me or says that the block isn't real, and no card deck/case would be metal, or those red soft ball thingys make no sense, what are they??? Or why would you put a half dollar through a table? on and on...

If they go home and think "I know Mike did something with that block for the card to go through it! I know it!!!
That's great! They're thinking of me and my performance. Who cares!


This absolutely makes ZERO sense to do. But I can't wait to get mine! And do it!!!!
I sadly have to wait until July!!!! Noooooooooooooo!!!!

My IR has been (and will continue) to be a GREAT effect that WORKS! This will too!

I also truly appreciate everyone thinking critical on this. Discussing how thy don't see how it makes sense and their thoughts. That's what the Cafť is all about.


Mike
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That about sums it up for sure. Well said.
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Exactly Mike , you should be able express your opinions positive or negative .
Otherwise there is little point in having a discussion on a product imo Gaz 🙂
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When in April do the pre-orders go out?
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Is it April yet 😁, Waiting patiently.

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@Joao - How is the availability looking right now for the July batch? Last I heard it was at 50%

Also, do you expect any delays as a result of the Corona Virus?
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