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PendletonThe3rd Special user 973 Posts |
^ it's $250 not $350
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
I personally love both Brett and Joao as people and as creators .
I think it’s totally wrong that people are bashing Brett or anyone on here . It’s totally wrong at anytime in life but when you think of the real troubles in the world right now it’s deplorable . Take care to everyone and good magic to all Gaz 🙂 |
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The_March_Hare Regular user 125 Posts |
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On Mar 30, 2020, PendletonThe3rd wrote: I forgot what I paid for it since I bought the accessories for it too. |
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The_March_Hare Regular user 125 Posts |
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On Mar 30, 2020, Gaz Lawrence wrote: It's not "bashing" him whatsoever, it is describing what behavior is being observed. It's not deplorable to say it, whether it is a pandemic or not, what is deplorable is trademarking a classic principle and then threatening to sue creator who uses the term "sven" in their advertising. What is deplorable is profiting from John Van Der Linden's work, not respecting his creative control over his products, banning him from the facebook group, and threatening him with a lawyer. If you don't like people calling him out on his behavior, then as his friend advise him to change his attitude and his behavior, and respect others as human beings. Perhaps even better, ask him to issue an apology to all of the people that he has personally attacked like Joao Miranda, and all of the people that he has burned a bridge with like John Van Der Linden. I'll do you one better, I will take back every thing that I have ever said about him, if he makes an honest effort to dialogue with the people that he has trampled on and insulted and apologize for his behavior. Did I also mention that he threatened the creator of Svenlopes too? Yes, he did. And anyone who confronted him on his behavior, he simply blocked. He cares more about his supposed "trademark" of a classic principle, than he does about the art and about people. It's obvious by the way he conducts himself. What if I came up with an anagram and I called it "anapeak" and anyone who used the term "ana" after that I threatened with a lawsuit? I will tell you, it would be immoral and it would be a hinderance to our art. |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
I think it’s utterly deplorable and that’s the whole problem with social media .
Who cares about Facebook I for one would never be on it and I have not lost out one single bit as a result . You act as if Facebook is life or death and that’s deplorable when life and death is being faced by 100’s of thousands of people in the world right now . You want to get your priorities right my friend nearly all magic principles are not new and if you don’t know that you want to start studying the history of magic a bit more . There is a hierarchy of bashing on here and it’s totally wrong . It’s a form of bullying that none of you are ever prepared to do face to face ( surprise surprise ) . Best wishes Gaz 🙂 |
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The_March_Hare Regular user 125 Posts |
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On Mar 30, 2020, Gaz Lawrence wrote: I never invoked just facebook, but any form of communication is relevant and how you treat people says a lot about your character. You seem to care a lot about what people have to say about him on magic Café, but you completely turn a blind eye to his behavior on facebook, both are digital platforms and how he conducts himself matters on both of them. Furthermore I said almost nothing about facebook, other than him banning John Van Der Linden and anyone else who he has burned a bridge with. It's relevant because that is a platform for communicating and has to do with his actions. However most of my problem with him has to do with him trademarking a classic principle and threatening to sue people who use any variation of the term associated with the sevengali principle. It is life and death when you threaten people with your lawyer and try to prevent their individual publications from being released and sold. It is life and death when you do not respect other artists and seek to profit from their creations. When it comes to describing his behavior, it's not a form of bullying, you are completely wrong. When people have been burned by him and they simply describe their experiences and the experiences of others, that is not bullying or bashing by definition. It is simply describing his behavior. What you have done is give him a pass for all of his behavior and blamed the victims, who have had to put up with his behavior simply because they have described his actions in unflattering terms. Lastly I would have no problem being face to face with him but it shouldn't matter whether we are face to face, on facebook, or having a discussion about it on the magic Café. When Brett bashed and insulted Joao, I didn't see you telling him, "I bet you wouldn't be willing to say that face to face", no you were silent on the problem, which demonstrates that you are predispositioned to give Brett a pass and not all of the people who he has insulted and threatened. This idea that because it is a pandemic, we need to just white wash everything that this man has done is ridiculous and unintellectual. |
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The Unmasked Magician Inner circle If only I didn't have a wife and a kid I would have MUCH more than 2644 Posts |
I have to agree with The March Hare, Gaz. Just read the thread on how Brett treated Drew Backenstoss. No man with good intentions would do that IMO.
Please check regularly if you are becoming the type of magician Jerry Seinfeld jokes about. (This applies to mentalists as well.)
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RNK Inner circle 7491 Posts |
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On Mar 30, 2020, The Unmasked Magician wrote: Well I'm glad it's just not me so videoman can fully understand the ignorance from this person.
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
I have read the thread you refer in its entirety and I don’t condone it but what’s wrong is private messages being plastered over a public forum .
If you have something said in private then it’s private and please have the balls Drew to face the person . I have never in 24 years been confronted by anyone at Blackpool only other than to shake my hand and be humble and nice . This is in despite of what they have said in an open forum about me here , we are friends with a common love of our art deep down . In regards to Facebook the mad March hare said Brett then removed John from his Facebook group , so what ! My heart bleeds for him . Best wishes Gaz 🙂 Ps I don’t like s.it stirrers but you probably gathered that |
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Joe Roberts Special user 860 Posts |
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On Mar 30, 2020, The_March_Hare wrote: Your Randi anecdote is nothing like this trick. His purpose was to make you think something was ordinary when it wasn't. With this trick you already have them thinking you're doing something extraordinary (penetrating your normal, real working cell phone) and then reveal you did something somewhat less extraordinary (penetrate a random block of metal). It would be similar to doing a sword penetration on stage and then revealing you didn't actually penetrate your assistant but you pushed the sword through a solid metal mannequin. That wouldn't be an upgrade. And what does this mean: "the idea of putting a card through a phone was unappealing to me. It was the same ol nonsense that we have seen before and in fact everyone, including non-magic folk have seen before." Where has ANYONE seen that before? I think most of us on this thread would love to do that trick rather than penetrating a strange block of metal. Please direct us to where this has been done. |
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The_March_Hare Regular user 125 Posts |
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On Mar 30, 2020, Gaz Lawrence wrote: Yes he removed him from the group so that he could shamelessly sell John's products and profit from them, without his permission. It was dishonest and the intent was to shut down any opposing views, particularly from the owner of the intellectual property. For anyone not sure about the situation, he was selling custom made sevpads of John Van Der Linden's ink blot test without compensating John whatsoever. It's not just about some facebook conversation, it's about actual harm that was caused to people. Yet when someone merely uses the term "Sven" in their marketing, such as svenlopes, Brett threatens them and the distributor with a lawsuit hoping to get their products pulled from the shelves. |
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The_March_Hare Regular user 125 Posts |
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On Mar 30, 2020, Joe Roberts wrote: Well you are right, with Randi's presentation, he was making people believe that everything was "ordinary", but one could argue that with this trick, Joao was making people believe that it was an "ordinary" cell phone, only to later expose that it was no phone at all, rather it was a solid block of metal. The point that I was making is that people are under the impression that the item is one thing, only to have it turn into another. I would be willing to bet that Joao's effect would be much more impressive than if it were an actual cell phone. However you are free to disagree of course. Lastly I don't agree with your mannequin comparison: One implies an element of danger and is banking on it, but the other is not. |
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The_March_Hare Regular user 125 Posts |
Quote: and what follows is an absolute - unequivocal justification for what he did and putting the blame on the victim. In every situation where he is the obvious aggressor, you have come back and said that he was really the one being bullied and targeted. No... he's been the one targeting others. If someone is assaulted, you don't say, "oh well maybe they should have been more muscular" or "well they lost the fight, so they shouldn't speak out because that isn't fair to the bully", no... no no no no no. There is no logic to this thinking.
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Mac_Stone Inner circle Miami, FL 1419 Posts |
Can we stop talking about Brett? This thread is supposed to be about Metal Phone.
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
Exactly both he and Joao are beautiful human beings and Mad March Hare has no right to bring it all up again . He knows nothing about Bretts help and contribution to magic and personal messages have no place ever in an open forum . That’s the most cowardly approach I have ever seen so Drew was bang out of order publishing them . That deflated any issues he had with Brett to minus a million imo , why he is he telling all and sundry ? Like I say you can’t get lower than that imo . Back on topic please Gaz 🙂
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The_March_Hare Regular user 125 Posts |
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On Mar 30, 2020, Gaz Lawrence wrote: That's hilarious... you should be his publicist.. you spun everything beautifully... you even convinced me that the aggressor is the victim. |
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Mac_Stone Inner circle Miami, FL 1419 Posts |
No, seriously, let's stop.
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Joe Roberts Special user 860 Posts |
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On Mar 30, 2020, The_March_Hare wrote: No one thinks there's real danger in most stage penetration illusions. But that's an argument for another thread. I don't understand why you think it would be more impressive with a metal block. I'm not trying to challenge you, I'm just interested in what your rationale is. Your own working cell phone is something that is TRULY impenetrable in ANY circumstance, not just in a magic trick. You can't drill through it, you can't melt something through it, you can't switch it and you can't put a secret sliding hole in it. And it's a common object people are familiar with. Can you think of any other effect that is improved by replacing one normal object with something people haven't seen before that was apparently manufactured solely for use in a magic trick? I don't think this is a bad trick, I think it's fine. We don't have the option of doing this with a real phone unfortunately. (I know you said every layperson has already seen this done with a phone, but I don't know what you're talking about.) |
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The_March_Hare Regular user 125 Posts |
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On Mar 30, 2020, Joe Roberts wrote: No worries Joe, we can discuss it. As I said before, when I first saw David Penn do it, I thought that it was going to be a card through cell phone illusion and that just seemed cliche. I mean we have seen card through table, card through window, card through... fill in the blank. We have also seen classic "saw the woman in half" applied to business cards, credit cards, etc. and I thought to myself "oh go figure, credit card through cell phone." I think that magicians have a difficult time getting away from the classics and truly venturing into new territory. When a solid block of metal came out, my first thoughts were, "wow, I didn't expect that..." and then I thought that he would say that the case and the block of metal could not be examined but when it turned out that they could be examined, I was like "how?!?!" and it gave me that feeling from when I was first fooled many years ago before I became a magician. You're right that a cell phone is technically inpenetrable but a cell phone is predictable and I suspect that the audience would look at it more skeptically. Think about when Uri Geller did the commercial where he "bent" an iphone. People know that cell phone technology is always improving so they look at it less impressive and almost would just assume that it was another feature. I think that with the block of metal, it appears if there can be no gimmicks, after all it's two screws that pose as a camera, and some metal. My thinking could be completely wrong about this but as I said, I was willing to put my money where my mouth is (through purchasing it) and I suspect that I am right about it. If I am wrong, then I will gladly sell this product. Hell, maybe I will consider giving it away but I don't think that I am. You asked the question, "Can you think of any other effect that is improved by replacing one normal object with something people haven't seen before that was apparently manufactured solely for use in a magic trick?" I think that you are looking at this wrong. Talk to anyone who does metal working, a random piece of metal with two screws in it doesn't require much manufacturing. In fact most metal shops have something that fits the bill just sitting around waiting to be used for a project. The real question should be, "Can you think of any other effect where the audience expects to find a cliche item used and what they are given is a completely different item?" The answer is yes. Think Cups and Balls, when a smaller ball is magically switched into a larger ball. Or when a lemon routine switches lemons for oranges to catch their audience offguard. This is a more equal comparison. |
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tomd Special user 747 Posts |
That’s how I also felt watching it for the first time, the metal block was a positive surprise. Good thoughts
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