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ChrisPilsworth
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I am putting together Al Baker's vanishing glass. In the Baker book (the big one, but also published in his second book) it says to put clear celluloid in the pitcher. There is an editor's note explaining why, however, I don't think that is what Al had in mind. I know this is a long shot, but any help would be appreciated.
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Sorrry, I do not have either book, but I thought that I would inform you that back in Al Baker's day celluloid was the only "plastic" available. It was used in many magic props sold up until the late 1960's to early 1970's. Then it kind of disappeared, and the secret to assembling with adhesives went with it.
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On Feb 27, 2020, Bill Hegbli wrote:
back in Al Baker's day celluloid was the only "plastic" available. It was used in many magic props sold up until the late 1960's to early 1970's. Then it kind of disappeared, and the secret to assembling with adhesives went with it.

The "secrets" of plastic adhesives just changed; they didn't disappear the way magic "secrets" do. Today you can use Super Glue Gel to accomplish the same thing. No secret. Acetate replaces celluloid and is still available, as are packaging plastics with funny names like PVC and PET.
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Hi Guys, Thank you for the replies. Celluloid wasn't my issue. What I'd like to find out is what shape was the plastic, where was it placed in the glass and what was its purpose. There weren't any illustrations for that part of the description, so it remains a bit of a mystery. Cheers, Chris
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Al Baker's name is not mentioned, but is THIS along the lines of what is being discussed here? https://www.mjmmagic.com/store/-p-19836.html
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Chris, we need the description of the effect from the book. What is the pitcher's involvement has to do with the effect?
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The best way to make a plastic plastic gimmick is with an Ultrasonic Welder machine. No glue, Ultrasonic sound waves joins the parts together.
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Not worth pursuing. There are better glass vanishes with less risk.
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Thanks R.Don for the reference. Makes things more clear. I see it involves a very small glass and pitcher, what we use to call a Juice Glass. The Plastic piece is simply disc cut out of plastic the size of the mouth of the glass.

I have one that came with my P&L Glass through Derby Hat or Top Hat using the mechanical Brass Candle stick.
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I remember seeing someone in Tannen's in New York demo glass vanish that impressed me.... Water was poured from a metal pitcher into a glass. The glass was covered with a cloth and, away from any table edges, the cloth was flicked open to show the glass had gone.

The cloth had a disc sewn in the centre that would hold the shape of the mouth of the glass after it had vanished and the glass vanished by dropping it It into the pitcher. The pitcher acting as the hidden servante but being in plain view.

I've no idea what this set of props was called of if it's still made/available but I remember back in 1985 it impressed me!
Neal Austin

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I remember that vanishing glass effect at the local magic store. I almost bought it, but you had to control the pitcher from dipping when the glass was dropped. It was well made as well.
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About thirty years ago, I performed the Himber Vanishing Bottles in a large theatre, but I needed an extra "beat" to punch up the vanish, so I decided to vanish a glass of wine immediately before the vanish of the bottles. I did this by using the final "bottle" (actually the nest of four/eight) to fill the glass (the inner bottle had a sealed compartment to hold liquid), which rested on a small tray held by my assistant. While covering the glass with a cloth (prepared as Neal has described above), the "bottle" was placed on the tray. Actually, the" bottle" went over the glass under the cover of covering the glass with the cloth. My assistant walked off with the tray and "bottle", the cloth was tossed in the air and the glass vanished. I then said something like "if you think that's good, what about the bottles?" and promptly crushed the crate of bottles. It worked well as a closer for repeat shows instead of finishing with my usual closer - the Multiplying Bottles. If you know the Himber Bottles trick, I think you'll be able to follow this! I had forgotten all about this until reading Neal's comment above.
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Tenyo has an effect called Evaporating Glass and Water. The gimmick works well for vanishing a glass.
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I remember seeing someone in Tannen's in New York demo glass vanish that impressed me.... Water was poured from a metal pitcher into a glass. The glass was covered with a cloth and, away from any table edges, the cloth was flicked open to show the glass had gone.

The cloth had a disc sewn in the centre that would hold the shape of the mouth of the glass after it had vanished and the glass vanished by dropping it It into the pitcher. The pitcher acting as the hidden servante but being in plain view.

I've no idea what this set of props was called of if it's still made/available but I remember back in 1985 it impressed me!


I've just noticed that the description in my previous post is more or less the exact same thing as is depicted in the link that R Don provided! Sorry about that R Don. The 1st time I looked at the link there the pages were blank but scrolling up and down I discovered the relevant page.

Except for the pitcher being clear rather than opaque the effect(and the method) is the same. So I've learned that the excellent glass vanish I saw all those years ago was a version. of the Al Baker glass vanish. Many thanks. Smile
Neal Austin

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