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Bietfriek Special user Bye, bye after 501 Posts |
Maybe my definition of mentalism is different, but the current tools available within the “essential series” are not “essential” at all. They are tools for a performer, but not needed to perform mentalism and to me that is a big difference.
I also question the spiral “illusion” that isn’t organic at all. In my opinion it’s only a factor that could raise suspicion. Why are the pages glued together if there is already a spiral binding? Yes I do understand it’s needed to make it work, but to me it isn’t logical at all. Unless the spectator is instructed to open the pad and put it writing side down on their hands or a table (opened) I don’t see any value in the spiral binding. Once I made a set of cards like Bob Cassidy’s “Scary movie” routine and did the same thing. Here the reason was that they could genuinely shuffle the cards themselves and I was still able to force the item needed. But as far as my knowledge goes you cannot shuffle a pad.... Quite recently I saw someone perform an effect on YouTube with some post-it notes. The guy had written different destinations on the individual pages. Post-it’s are meant to quickly write something down and then to stick it on something (a book, refrigerator, someone’s head etc.etc.) Without a specific case they lack the protection that a writing pad will give you, that’s the reason why there are writing pads and Post-it notes, different tools, different applications. The fact that you CAN make a short / long pad of it, does not mean it’s logical. It’s even quite a task to fill up a block of post-it notes while keeping it intact. But again, it’s not designed for that use. To me “organic” pads are the pads I find locally, at my own local grocery or stationary shop. Stickers with pricing and/or barcodes are already there. |
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Christian de Punto Regular user Germany 174 Posts |
It's called "pov-porn-effect"... indeed ;-)
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strollingmagician Loyal user 285 Posts |
Will there be an organic pad without lines on the paper so drawings can be used instead?
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JustJoshinMagic Special user Montreal, QC 965 Posts |
I have one coming my way. I’ll post my thoughts here in the thread once it arrives!
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rosariorose9 Inner circle Kreskin guessed that I had 1158 Posts |
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On Mar 3, 2020, JustJoshinMagic wrote: I do as well, and will add my 2 cents.... |
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10794 Posts |
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On Mar 1, 2020, Bietfriek wrote: You seem to know a lot of things about a lot and that is absolutely fabulous. The reason that the spine is glued is so that the pages remain at a perfect 1/32 inch offset. The point at the spiral is so that it looks exactly the same as any cheap memo pad at any corner drugstore. It is an advancement and you could not easily make it this way at home. We’ve always said that if people want to make their own using a paper cutter or whatever then by all means knock yourself out.
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Yash Pataskar New user 68 Posts |
I love how innocent yet stylish they look. Low key yet not too average. Also, I love how they have done the binding. Looking forward.
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Bietfriek Special user Bye, bye after 501 Posts |
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On Mar 4, 2020, saysold1 wrote: Since text can be interpreted in multiple ways, I take that as a compliment! But I want to add that there’s even more I don’t know 😉 Quote:
On Mar 4, 2020, saysold1 wrote: I fully understand, that’s why I wrote “Yes I do understand that it’s needed to make it work” Quote:
On Mar 4, 2020, saysold1 wrote: Well it seems it doesn’t, I have never seen a notepad that’s spiral bound AND glued. The benefit of a spiral bound notebook is the fact that you could flip the pages you are not writing on. In the demo’s that I have seen of the Kød pad (which makes use of the same method if I’m right) the spectator isn’t allowed to do that. They are only instructed to peek like in your other (glued) Svenpads but please correct if I’m wrong about that. What happens IF the spectator opens the pad totally? Is this possible and/or allowed? Quote:
On Mar 4, 2020, saysold1 wrote: That’s what I question: is this an advancement? Does the participant really care that it’s a spiral bound notepad or a glued one? Did you ever had a participant ask you “could you do the same with a spiral bound notepad instead of a glued one?” Quote:
On Mar 4, 2020, saysold1 wrote: That’s indeed what you said and that’s exactly what I personally would prefer. What SvenPads (in the purest form as a blank Svengali pad) have added to the market is the fact that people can buy a pre-made Svengali pad without the need of the usual DIY process of cutting it manually. You have found someone who could produce them in bulk and even print them (like the famous coloring book) and that’s your investment/achievement. The size and look of the new pad is nice, but your arguments and calling it an advancement doesn’t make sense to me. |
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IMAGINACIAN Special user In Your Thots 558 Posts |
I've been using Svensation pads and books and they compare very favorably with Organic Pads on many counts, I feel, although I like the color of Organic Pad and may get one.
https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/11130 https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/11175
There is no better freedom than choice and no better choice than freedom.
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
Seems like maybe you guys are feigning ignorance when you question why the KOD pads are glued as well as being spiral bound.
Well, obviously you get the very accurate and tiny 1/32" trim off each force page so the pages need to be glued in order for that to be 100% reliable. The spiral binding is there simply as an illusion so that the pad will appear to be a regular cheap pocket pad. Spectators are never aware that the pages are glued in addition to being spiral bound. But I suspect you understand this already and are just trying to stir the pot. No, they cannot open the pad all the way but this is a moot point because there is no reason or need for them to. So I do view this as an improvement on the svenpad. Now I suppose that you could probably take any off the shelf spiral bound pad and make a svenpad out of it (not sure as I've never tried to) but I'm guessing you would have to trim a larger amount off of each page if it is spiral bound. Now this would probably work fine and no one would be the wiser but personally I would rather save the time and trouble and buy a ready made pad that will look better and be more reliable, but I can understand if some people would prefer to make their own pads. Always nice to have options, isn't it? |
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Bietfriek Special user Bye, bye after 501 Posts |
@Videoman: I fully understand why this is done and that it has to be done that way. I also understand that the way the SvenPads are produced ensures an accurate cut.
Spectator management/clear instructions ensures that the illusion works, again that’s something I’m fully aware of. What I DO question are certain arguments/claims that are made. Why is a spiral notepad an advancement over a “standard” glued one? Especially since a spectator cannot handle the spiral notepad as a normal one... That’s not stirring the pot, that to me is a genuine and valid question and has nothing to do with “feigning ignorance”. Spiral notepads are there because they have their own benefits, just like post-it notes have. In the example I gave about the post-it notes (TV-performance), the guy DID ask if he had to break at the selection. Why? Maybe because Post-it notes are used that way on this side of the ocean? But asking a critical question about a Svenpad seems to be very naughty so this will be my very last post on this subject. |
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simon hughes Veteran user London 360 Posts |
I ordered this last week and it just arrived, so impressed with the quality ! I use Sven pads for two core routines but I’ll be switching to these now.
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
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On Mar 6, 2020, simon hughes wrote: All of the SvenPads are very high quality so could you provide more details about what specifically you prefer with this pad? I really like the office store look of the KOD pads and there could be a need for using 2 pads with different color covers to distinguish them apart. But I could certainly see a use for these if you use a lsnguage other than english. What other aspects do people like about these NK pads? |
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