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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Mar 23, 2020, John Martin wrote: Yes a lot of fear, a lot of misinformed expertise masquerading as fact and all fueled by the internet. To be fair all I posted was opinion. The SKY IS FALLING crowd could be right, we will see. If we come back here and they were right I will gladly admit just how wrong I was. I wonder if they will do the same thing? I also find it interesting how everyone has been a foreign affairs expert, a constitutional scholar and expert, health care experts, economics experts, trial law experts, criminal law experts, qualifications to be President experts, states rights experts, and on and on. In reality they just are re posting opinions of those they agree with and trying to disguise it as informed debate. They let others form and distill their opinions based on a political bias that they share with an author, or don't share with an opponent. This is sadly what passes for information in the "information age".
Danny Doyle
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
It appears only two more weeks of lockdown in USA. Watched news conference few hours ago. Then hopefully business will open back up starting a recovery.
Danny you and other older folks probably will be advised to stay at home, I don't know for sure. Like you said, regular flu kills more, I agree. Doctors are the ones saying this is more contagious and more deadly.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Yea I'm 70.
Danny Doyle
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
You sure are a young 70 then Danny. Remind me of Richard Osterlind. Only as old as you feel. Hey Im over 50 so I am a senior also.
PS: Today they said 99 percent of the deaths from Covid are people over 50. A couple in AZ drank fish tank cleaner after hearing a similar drug (different spelling) for malaria was being taken for treatment. The male died and female is in critical condition.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
They have SAID THAT ALL ALONG. It has always been older people who are immuno compromised. And it is generally the other symptoms that cause death.
Also a HUGE percentage recover. And I'm 52. It's not the years, it's the mileage. But the same as being as young as you feel, it is with the depressive outlook you bring here. Watching TV is doing you no favors.
Danny Doyle
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
We are seeing great examples of reacting vs. responding.
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Gerry Walkowski Inner circle 1450 Posts |
Mindpro,
That should be the YouTube clip of the year! Great stuff and thanks for sharing. Gerry |
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
Thanks Gerry! I felt a bit of comedy, levity and fun could be welcome.
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DavidMor New user 17 Posts |
Let's stick to the facts. The federal government's policies on "social distancing" are not going to end by Easter. Trump extended them until end of April - and then he will reassess.
Italy has one of the best healthcare systems in the world, yet has recorded almost 11,000 deaths so far. Spain likewise has a modern healthcare system, but has well over six thousand deaths, so far. New York's number of case is doubling about every three days. It is not panicking to do the math, and realize that the United States will face hundreds of thousands of deaths - maybe millions. Trump, who is constantly optimistic, says that keeping deaths down to 100,000 will mean that everyone did a great job. If you perform in a large group, then you are likely facilitating the spread of the disease. You might gather together a group of children who remain asymptomatic, but the kids may be spreading the virus to their grandparents, where the mortality rate is much higher. While China was denying the seriousness, its cases shot through the roof. Once China put in draconian shutdown measures, the disease stopped spreading. Japan did the same. At some point, we must take our ethical and moral obligations seriously and tell the booking part NOT to hold the event. |
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Blaze Magic New user 78 Posts |
Hopefully things will be a little better in the US than Italy, despite things being handled so badly.
The real issue with the virus, is while it has a 1% or so death rate, that assumes access to proper medical care, and around 20% of people require oxygen or a ventilator. Fortunately there are many people in the world who have been taking this virus very, very seriously, and there have been huge advancements on ventilators in the last month alone, such as 3D printable parts which allows a single ventilator to be used for four people at once. There are still going to be overrun hospital and far too many deaths. The saddest part is at each step, the world could have already gotten rid of coronavirus (or very close to it), but there are always people who won’t take issues like this seriously, and others die because of it. Fortunately it doesn’t evolve quickly, so if they can make a working vaccine, it should work on every strain, plus herd immunity should start to come into play for most of the world within maybe 6 months based on the current growth. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Mar 30, 2020, DavidMor wrote: I'm sorry but some of your facts are opinions. By the way guys speaking if math do you find it odd that there are more cases now that they are testing for it? SERIOUSLY? Of course they find more! Death rate is well under 1%. Plus they have no way to determine T value. (I don't know infectious disease but numbers I'm not bad with.) (Also if you don't know what that is don't argue this point please.) Also many of the people who have died would have died from regular flu. It has been the underlying health issue that killed them. Also if you are a math fan link at the number of people who died in Italy last years vs this year. They are right on track! No huge spikes! Hmm. Just some actual facts.
Danny Doyle
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
The problem is so many people use the logic pattern of "God is love, love is blind, Ray Charles is blind SO Ray Charles is God."
There is so much about this we can't even know yet. I would encourage everyone to read this. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatla....../607495/ It might help you panic less.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Blaze Magic New user 78 Posts |
While panic is generally never a good idea, if we assume the corona virus is exactly as bad as the flu ), that is awful (and most evidence suggests it is far worse. Plus I cannot see the Chinese Government who happily farms the organs of their own citizens closing down their economy because a few people are dying of a bad flu).
The flu can easily kill half a million people per year annually. If we add a second corona-flu to the mix, there will be people who miss the old flu and get the corona virus instead. And there will be even more who get both, and while they may have been fine with one, both may mean they need hospital treatment (or maybe one means they need hospital treatment, and both means they die even if they get it). Then we have to consider that most hospitals already work close to capacity under normal circumstances. The amount of flu patients would increase a lot, which means either we need to make a lot of changes to our hospital systems around the world, or a lot of people won't be able to get treatment. Once again the solution isn't to panic, but to take the situation seriously and do whatever we can to help, whether that is making designs for 3D printed ventilators, or washing our hands and staying at home. Hopefully more people will learn basic hygiene as a result of all this and in the years following there will be less flu going around as well. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Again you're making assumptions. Nothing more.
Generally hospitals run at a 65 or 66 percent capacity. Again you're just putting out hyperbole. Yes response is necessary. Over reacting doesn't help as much as hurt.
Danny Doyle
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Blaze Magic New user 78 Posts |
Which assumptions?
Do you have any links for hospitals being at 65% to 66% capacity during the average flu season? The number I have heard are a lot higher, but obviously it could vary greatly from hospital to hospital? |
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imgic Inner circle Moved back to Midwest to see 1336 Posts |
I work for a hospital group in Seattle. We normally run at about 80-90% capacity. That being defined by number of beds. When defining by staffing, we perhaps run at 100% or over. Skilled caregivers are in short supply, even at normal times.
Currently we're at 50-60% capacity. No elective procedures are allowed. Only emergency or urgent (things that require action in 4 hours or less) patients are being admitted. We're decreasing census to prepare for the surge expected within the next week or two. Stay home, be safe.
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Acecardician Inner circle New Orleans 1390 Posts |
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"Are gig workers, freelancers and independent contractors covered? Yes, self-employed people are newly eligible for unemployment benefits. Benefit amounts will be calculated based on previous income, using a formula from the Disaster Unemployment Assistance program, according to a congressional aide. Self-employed workers will also be eligible for the additional $600 weekly benefit provided by the federal government." Here is the full article, pass it on. https://www.nytimes.com/article/coronavi......ers.html Don't miss the info on the $1200 payment to taxpayers. Most Mortgage companies will let you skip 3 months and add it to the back end. You just have to ask. Let everyone know! ACE
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
I hear they are thinking about more stimulus to come.
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Frosty Loyal user Texas 245 Posts |
Welp boys and girls.. I've been reading this thread and gotta say I feel very different about this.. its gonna get way uglier before it gets better especially if many folks don't take this serious and don't keep social distance and take precautions..
Too many will die in the coming weeks and even after it reaches its peak it'll still take time before it all goes back to normal.. I ain't scared at all of this virus but do care for what's coming to many if we don't take this serious and fight it.. Oh and Magic will still live after it's all over as it always does but will you or your loved ones still be alive to see it? I know the majority will survive even if you get it but many won't and they might be your friends or loved ones.. Also because of all this I feel its gonna take many months before magic performances goes back to normal as folks might still be shaken and be avoiding gatherings and travel etc.. And I ain't fear mongering just trying to be real so others take it more seriously and prevent this from spreading.. It's not the end of the world and the sky is not falling.. for the sun will still come up tomorrow... and the next.. and so on. Life will go on after it's all over but here's a video for yall to watch that might open your eyes a little more as to what is really coming if we don't prevent it.. https://youtu.be/DSJzPZCEW4I |
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