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Have a look back at Freud's comments about sanity and society, then need for compromise and the internal conflicts generated by living with those compromises.

As a notion, the effect of more than other can be construed as a conspiracy.

Stir in a few generations of force multiplied quotations out of context - for example: https://cornerstone.lib.mnsu.edu/cgi/vie......xt=ctamj

And you've got a recipe for ... something the MMPI probably already has a scale for. Smile Smile
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Hmm... that kind of example is more likely over-correction to previously neglected phenomena than conspiracy. It makes people feel smart to learn something new: "non-verbal communication!" and it becomes an all-purpose explanation. A bit harder to argue for knowing collusion, although I had to admit the thought of Dr Phil telling Larry King that 93% of all communication was non-verbal when they've both famously made millions from talking (not their good looks!) made me laugh. A conspiracy to keep others out of their racket? Well...
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I would agree but that would be a conspiracy by Steven's definition.
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Next conspiracy: Conflating public interest as expressed by individual voters with interests of wealth as expressed to elected representatives in the form of donations, sponsorships, inertia/tradition...

* By the way, have you looked at the ancient history of the African region called Nubia?
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I feel sorry for the Government because they have to believe their own propaganda in order to get the “luxuries" they are offered in exchange for their loyalty to the state.
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Next conspiracy: Conflating public interest as expressed by individual voters with interests of wealth


Those sorts of conspiracies fall under the esteemed sub-category of "urinating on us and telling us it's raining" conspiracies.
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Isn’t the Newspeak Dictionary online now?
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The Illusory Pattern Perception (citations below) is strong in several members here.

Cute and harmless, on the one hand; lamentable and lethal, on the other.

Unsusceptible to logic, fact, or rational argument because Illusory Pattern Perception is a cognitive anomaly.

Advice for those not beset with it:

"As infuriating as it may be to find yourself up late having an internet fight with a conspiracy theorist, remind yourself that they actually see the world differently, and might even be feeling lonely."

https://www.sciencealert.com/conspiracy-......-science

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ejsp.2331
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Is Newspeak, the A vocabulary, that which we use to explain magic experiments?

“It was intended only to express simple, purposive thoughts, usually involving concrete objects or physical actions.”

- G.O.
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It's basically a useless term, like "terrorism" and "freedom fighter" which means whatever the speaker wants it to mean--and often hides the speaker's presumptions behind a mask of neutrality.
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As infuriating as it may be to find yourself up late having an internet fight with conspiracy theorists, like the 9/11 Commission, remind yourself that they actually see the world differently, and might even be feeling lonely.
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On Oct 26, 2020, tommy wrote:
As infuriating as it may be to find yourself up late having an internet fight with conspiracy theorists, like the 9/11 Commission, remind yourself that they actually see the world differently, and might even be feeling lonely.


The intractability of Illusory Pattern Perception on display.

Not that they would actually read the cited studies (and many more) of this cognitive anomaly and risk the self-reckoning that could result.

Nah, dismiss science and evidence-based insight as another sinister "they" conspiring against you, and continue to promulgate nonsense.

In their defense, it isn't a choice, as the cited studies note.

Alas.
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"Not that "they".

Who is this sinister "they"?
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The pronoun "they" in the sentence, "Not that they would actually read the cited studies . . . ." refers to persons posting in this thread that exhibit the cognitive anomaly known as Illusory Pattern Perception or its first cousin, Conspiracy Theory Ideation.

A sinisterly disposition is neither a qualifying nor excluding condition of persons with Illusory Pattern Perception or Conspiracy Theory Ideation.
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On Oct 26, 2020, E.S. Andrews wrote:
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On Oct 26, 2020, tommy wrote:
As infuriating as it may be to find yourself up late having an internet fight with conspiracy theorists, like the 9/11 Commission, remind yourself that they actually see the world differently, and might even be feeling lonely.


The intractability of Illusory Pattern Perception on display.

Not that they would actually read the cited studies (and many more) of this cognitive anomaly and risk the self-reckoning that could result.

Nah, dismiss science and evidence-based insight as another sinister "they" conspiring against you, and continue to promulgate nonsense.

In their defense, it isn't a choice, as the cited studies note.

Alas.


You actually made my next point. It certainly isn't a choice.
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The 9/11 Commission posited that 9/11 attacks were the result of a conspiracy and “they” the chair and vice-chair of the 9/11 Commission, respectively Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, assert in their book, Without Precedent, that “they” were "set up to fail" and were starved of funds to do a proper investigation. “They” also confirm that “they” were denied access to the truth and misled by senior officials in the Pentagon and the federal aviation authority; and that this obstruction and deception led them to contemplate slapping officials with criminal charges.

It is “they”, the conspiracy deniers, the idiots in the Greek sense, who see the 9/11 Commission report as something which it is not, who are finding meaning in the clouds (the Illusory Pattern Perception) and spouting their pseudo-profound BS about it.
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On Oct 26, 2020, Dannydoyle wrote:
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On Oct 26, 2020, E.S. Andrews wrote:
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On Oct 26, 2020, tommy wrote:
As infuriating as it may be to find yourself up late having an internet fight with conspiracy theorists, like the 9/11 Commission, remind yourself that they actually see the world differently, and might even be feeling lonely.


The intractability of Illusory Pattern Perception on display.

Not that they would actually read the cited studies (and many more) of this cognitive anomaly and risk the self-reckoning that could result.

Nah, dismiss science and evidence-based insight as another sinister "they" conspiring against you, and continue to promulgate nonsense.

In their defense, it isn't a choice, as the cited studies note.

Alas.


You actually made my next point. It certainly isn't a choice.


Yep. Those with IPP and CTI don't choose to be that way. They just are.

There is no reasoning with Conspiracy Theorists or talking them down because their cognition is simply wired differently than the norm.

As the studies I cited note, Illusory Pattern Perception is driven by the pattern-seeking instincts and abilities of homospiens that allowed us to evolve as a species.

In persons with IPP, though, the pattern-seeking instinct is in constant overdrive, turbocharged to the point of delusion.
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If You Are Not A Conspiracy Theorist Then You are an Idiot

a) A conspiracy theory is a theory that explains some event or events as due in
part to a conspiracy, that is, to a secret plan to influence events by partly
secret means.

b) Every historically and politically literate person employs the strategy of
sometimes believing (and sometimes being prepared to believe) conspiracy
theories.

c) Every historically and politically literate person is a conspiracy theorist.

d) The only way not to be a conspiracy theorist is to be historically and
politically illiterate that is to be, in the Greek sense of the word, an idiot.

f) Therefore if you are not a conspiracy theorist then you are an idiot.

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Charles Pigden, MA (1983)(Cambridge) PhD (1985)(La Trobe), is Director of Philosophy Politics and Economics (PHPE or PPE) at University of Otago. He has edited Russell on Ethics (1999) (winner of the Bertrand Russell Society Book Award for 2000), contributed the chapter on ethics to the Cambridge Companion to Bertrand Russell and written the entry on Russell’s Moral Philosophy for the Stanford Online Encyclopedia of Philosophy.

What is the use of reasoning with idiots like you?
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Logical fallacies appearing in the previous post:

  • Ad Hominem
  • Equivocation fallacy
  • Hasty Generalization fallacy
  • Appeal to Authority fallacy


One of the best ways to learn how to make compelling arguments is to learn what makes a bad argument. Reading up on the most common logical fallacies and cognitive biases is a great place to start.
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For those interested, I did a video some time ago on the 5 most common logical fallacies...only one of which was mentioned above.

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