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And yet when the evidence is out,like here

http://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7

No news outlet even bother to mention or bring it up. and will still call it a conspiracy theory... tell me isn't that a heard mentality?
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It's called a conspiracy theory, because it is one. (And I think you mean HERD mentality. If you're going to use these threadbare, ad hominem attacks, at least get it right)

9/11 conspiracy theorists usually end up in one of two camps:

1) The US Government knew about the plot against the WTC and did nothing
2) The US Government collaborated with the terrorists to bring the buildings down

The evidence commonly cited is that the way the buildings came down closely resembles controlled demolition, so that must be what happened. To that end, there are a handful of engineers and architects that support that conclusion.

The problem is that far greater numbers of engineers and scientists have reviewed the data and found that the building collapse is consistent with the NIST findings.

As a lifelong skeptic, and one that is not a structural engineer, I'm certainly open to the possibility that either side of this debate might be right. The thing to remember, though, is that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, but we only see conjecture, hypothesis, and assertions.

If this claim is ever to have merit, you need far more evidence to support them. The time to believe an extraordinary claim is when it is accompanied by extraordinary evidence--and we don't have that here. That is why it is a conspiracy theory.
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Popular Mechanics debunked the controlled demolition.
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Thanks, I'll look that up. I like their articles.

There is a bunch of counter-evidence out there, nearly all of which discounts the controlled demolition theory.
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The best was when noted scientific expert Rosie O'Donnell claimed it was the first time in history that fire melted steel.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a1539/4213805/

Not as much fun as a conspiracy I'll admit.
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Nice article. Rosie might be wise not to wade in on scientific issues in which she is clearly out of her depth.
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At first I really thought the statement was a parody. But she is serious. Then when they go on to give weakening temperature and melting point it is hilarious.

Yes out of her depth indeed. Then again if she had to only speak in issues in which she is educated she would be saying far less. Not a bad thing come to think of it.

Don't forget that ignorance is a KEY component in most conspiracy theories.
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On Aug 16, 2020, Steven Keyl wrote:

The problem is that far greater numbers of engineers and scientists have reviewed the data and found that the building collapse is consistent with the NIST findings.



The problem with that is that science is not decided on a show of hands.
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Correct, Tommy. It's about the weight of the evidence, not about how many people agree with it. There are many studies and papers written that show how AND WHY the collapse of the towers were consistent with the NIST findings. It's when that evidence is dismissed in favor of already-refuted evidence that you run into problems.
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Don't forget that ignorance is a KEY component in most conspiracy theories.


Well said!

Also, Rosie is talking to people that first and foremost want to be entertained, not educated on the interaction of heat and steel. So, from that perspective, she's been a success.
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The problem with that is the back-pedal; to retreat from or reverse one's previous stand on any matter; shift ground. to back-pedal after severe criticism..
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Correct, Tommy. It's about the weight of the evidence, not about how many people agree with it. There are many studies and papers written that show how AND WHY the collapse of the towers were consistent with the NIST findings. It's when that evidence is dismissed in favor of already-refuted evidence that you run into problems.


Right. Also, the only thing that corrects bad science is more/better science. Not gut feelings or hearsay or anything else.

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Https://youtu.be/dvFuRYyEkiU

The problem with Popular Mechanics is that it has been debunked with ease.
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Not a single mention of anything they spoke of. Just trolling again?
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Popular Mechanics debunked the controlled demolition.


The problem with that is that Danny does not mention a word of what they said nor unlike me gives a link to them speaking.
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The best was when noted scientific expert Rosie O'Donnell claimed it was the first time in history that fire melted steel.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a1539/4213805/

Not as much fun as a conspiracy I'll admit.


Not to be contrary, but he absolutely did provide a link. Here it is again. And the article is not a comprehensive response to conspiracy theorists, but rather a specific refutation of O'Donnell's claims.

Having listened to your link, first of all it doesn't discuss the article cited above. It must be addressing a different one. And once again it contains nothing but assertions and claims without any actual evidence. The only people buying it are those that don't need evidence to believe whatever story is put in front of them.
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My sinsere apologies. I did not it see sorry.
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https://onezero.medium.com/how-to-destro......e6744d59


What a brilliant guy Doctorow is. A real education there. Thanks.
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Popular Mechanics say in the linked to article:

“2. The North and South Towers of the World Trade Center weren't knocked down by planes—they both stood for more than a half-hour after the impacts. But the crashes destroyed support columns and ignited infernos that ultimately weakened—not melted—the steel structures until the towers could no longer support their own weights (NIST offers a primer here). Ms. O'Donnell fundamentally misstates the case with her use of the word "melted": Evidence currently points to WTC7 also collapsing because fires weakened its ravaged steel structure.”

My question is this; if the steel structures did not melt, then where did the pools of molten steel found at Ground Zero come from?
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