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Taizpian New user 4 Posts |
Are there any sleights or methods out there that let you organize cards right under the spectator's nose?
I love the roadrunner cull. It's perhaps my favorite sleight - but at the end of the day it's a cull. Kostya has some great suggestions in his DVD of using it to sort through suits, but I'm hoping for something a bit more. I have many tricks I do that require stacks, and I'd love to be able to perform them impromptu. I know the sleight I'm asking for probably doesn't exist... but I've been dreaming for so long to be able to do set-up tricks without deck switching, or seeming like I'm ordering around cards! If it doesn't exist, I'm hoping maybe someone out there might have suggestions that could at least help me streamline my routines. Any suggestions on this, the roadrunner cull, or other similar and useful sleights would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! |
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Ray J Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1503 Posts |
Harry Lorayne's "The Great Divide" might be helpful. His original premise was to secretly separate reds and blacks in the process of removing a few cards
It's never crowded on the extra mile....
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chappy Special user 764 Posts |
Hi Taizpan,
Yes, you can create set-ups under the nose of those watching, without seeming like you're ordering cards. . You might consider using the concept of a morphing stack which essentially describes moving from one set-up to another during a routine, using things such as pick-up stacks, displacements, deals, shuffles, and a range of ideas where things look to be mixing the cards but are actually RE-ordering them in a haphazard or nonchalant way, where it seems no control over order is maintained. For more on this idea and ways to work with effects requiring set-ups while still being able to genuinely and apparently randomly change the composition of the deck during a set of routines, you might find some interesting reading in The Devil Staircase. In any case, just understanding the morphing stack idea might be enough for you to devise something to suit your purpose.
FARO FUNDAMENTALS, DETAILS OF DECEPTION and THE DEVIL'S STAIRCASE at www.thedevilsstaircase.com
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Muzz Regular user 175 Posts |
Lennart Green’s angle separation might work for you? Although it might not be quite what you are looking for.
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Rachmaninov Inner circle 1076 Posts |
Impromptu assorting cards during shuffles, gatherings…is ok for a short stack in my opinion. But for an entire set up deck, it’s not economical at all. I’ve seen Tamariz doing that, and the procedure is obvious and sooooo long !
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Rachmaninov Inner circle 1076 Posts |
The deck switch is the best solution. Don’t feel guilty, you lie about near everything all the time as a magician…
And regarding the purity of method, a two deck method (with a switch) with perfect external reality is better than a one deck method with a lot of contorsions to reach the desire résult. |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
LennarT Green's angle separation is a direct rip-off of my THE GREAT DIVIDE. A DIRECT rip-off.
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
http://www.harrylorayne.com http://www.harryloraynemagic.com |
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Taizpian New user 4 Posts |
Thank you all for your suggestions. To provide a bit more clarity:
I'm more of a magic hobbyist, in the sense that I like to perform for friends and acquaintances, not necessarily in planned situations. I have a few self working tricks I use that require A-K of a suit, or a short mnemonica stack to be arranged before hand. I find that once I do a trick that requires a full deck shuffle, I can't go back to the self working tricks. I really like a lot of the suggestions here, especially the one about the morphing stack. While the great divide is a great move, I'm not sure if it would give me the freedom to organize by suit in the same way I'm looking for. I do like Harry Lorayne's work though; I'll have to check out more of it as it seems a lot of effects may suit my style. |
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ASW Inner circle 1879 Posts |
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On May 24, 2020, Harry Lorayne wrote: No.
Whenever I find myself gripping anything too tightly I just ask myself "How would Guy Hollingworth hold this?"
A magician on the Genii Forum "I would respect VIPs if they respect history." Hideo Kato |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
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On May 26, 2020, ASW wrote: Interesting. Could you elaborate on your opposition |
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ssibal Veteran user 352 Posts |
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On May 26, 2020, magicfish wrote: How about Harry supporting his claim with evidence first? I am not familiar with either move but if someone is going to claim that someone else “ripped off” their move, they should provide something to back it up. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
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On May 26, 2020, ssibal wrote: He has- many times over the years here and in print. Not your fault that you are unaware of course. Most of us know the story of Harry's Scandinavian lecture/workshop tour at this point. However, I'd like to hear Andrew elaborate on his opposition. |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
There's always one - "one" who has no idea as to what he's talking about. As you say, magicfish, I've told the story many times. But someone who hasn't read it at all comes in with his "no." Amazing. Another thing I've written often enough is: I wish people who don't know what they're talking about would stop talking about.
Let me stress it for him once more: Lennart Green's angle separation is a direct rip-off of my THE GREAT DIVIDE. A DIRECT rip-off. An ABDOLUTE DITECT/OBVIOUS RIP-Off. Got it? Now let' all wait for the knowledgeable ASW's "No." God save us!
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
http://www.harrylorayne.com http://www.harryloraynemagic.com |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
There's something I should make clear here. I admit that I'm stupid, but not THAT stupid! I'm not going to make definite statements like that without knowing what I'm talking about. Please.
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
http://www.harrylorayne.com http://www.harryloraynemagic.com |
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Maestro Special user 801 Posts |
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On Jun 2, 2020, Harry Lorayne wrote: Don't be so hard on yourself. |
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Mr Salk Special user Tied to 568 Posts |
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On May 24, 2020, Rachmaninov wrote: Openly stacking a full-deck requires more personality than skill.
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Nikodemus Inner circle 1139 Posts |
In Encyclopaedia of Card Magic under the discussion of the Nikola stack, there is a method called A Subtle Game. You "divine" the spectators card by calling out all the other cards until they are left with just the one they selected.
John Bannon has an effect called Ulterior. You search through the deck trying to "intuit" which one is the spectators card. As you do this, you end up with a reject pile of cards you have discarded. I think there is also something called Slop Shuffle(?) You go through the deck appearing to messily turn handfuls face-up and face-down. At the end they are all miraculously the same way up (so similar to Triumph in a way). Meanwhile you have secretly separated the cards into two groups (typically red vs black). On a more general note - it is a lot easier to divide a deck into two groups than arrange them into a specific order. Especially for those of us who are not experts! Alternatively creating a small stack will be much easier than a large one. |
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Tim Cavendish Inner circle 1404 Posts |
Wasn't Karl Fulves reviving Charles Jordan's separation work from the 1920s when Lorayne suddenly rushed his Great Divide into print?
Fulves and Lorayne lived only 16 miles apart. |
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Steven Conner Inner circle 2720 Posts |
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On Jul 2, 2020, Tim Cavendish wrote: Why not ask Harry, he's on the forum.
"The New York Papers," Mark Twain once said,"have long known that no large question is ever really settled until I have been consulted; it is the way they feel about it, and they show it by always sending to me when they get uneasy. "
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Have no idea what he's talking about, Steven. Doubt if he does. I love remarks like "rushed my whatever into print." Like he knows. I didn't rush anything. Taught it at lectures for years before putting it in print - because people begged me to do so. And I love the other person he refer to - could be a partner with rip-offs --- please!
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
http://www.harrylorayne.com http://www.harryloraynemagic.com |
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