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big k New user 100 Posts |
MarkTripp talk about giveing me loads on info there.
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MarkTripp Special user Michigan 618 Posts |
You are more then welcome
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big k New user 100 Posts |
Thanks
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mattisdx Inner circle 1614 Posts |
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On 2004-06-07 00:39, big k wrote: My advice for you is to do what you want. If your church and/or your religion isn't tolerant of your interests, than find a new one that is. |
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big k New user 100 Posts |
The church doesn't even know about this. I ment doing this in general. So it goes back to my orginal question does being a christian and mentalism magic mix?
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mattisdx Inner circle 1614 Posts |
Yes. If you research the real meaning of the word occult, you will find that it means "hidden" and "secret". Not anything to do with satan. So yes, do what you want in the end, because it will always work out
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mdspark Special user 784 Posts |
Look...it seems to be a conflict within yourself then as oppossed to a church..due to your recent post and the fact there are MANY christian denominations that are very progress, tolerant, and not still in the Dark Ages!
You have gotten many good, informed opinions and advice...It is now up to YOU, to think for yourself! But of course many people always want some Absolute Authority to tell them how to THINK. Quite scary.... |
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MarkTripp Special user Michigan 618 Posts |
I would like to add a note of caution from a Christian viewpoint, after all, that is what THIS area is about.
You might want to take the time to read "A purpose driven life" and get right with what the Lord wants you to do, rather than what you want to do. Hunting for a Church that will let you do whatever it is you want to do, is a path that leads you away from God's Grace, not towards it. The core focus of your Christian life is very simple. If the Tomb is not empty, then this religon is a sham, and the words without meaning. If, however, that tomb is empty, then we had best focus on what God wants us to do, rather than our own desires. It isn't scary at all by the way, unless you are using subtle ways to try and say all religions are correct, and all paths lead to a good place, and all the other PC terms that at the core, deny the reality of "The good news". |
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RevJohn Inner circle Oregon City Oregon, Oregon 2473 Posts |
I do like the phrase, "Jesus died to take away our sins, not our mind."
There seems to be many times that we don't give our churches enough credit to trust that God is doing a good thing, and that God is in control. If the cross did anything (which I believe it did), it shows us that. I agreed with Mdspark... we need to stop being ruled by fear. As another person has stated, "The opposite of fear is faith." I believe we have that gift, so lets use it. John Stevens, pastor Resurrection Lutheran Church Juneau, AK |
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cpatchett Veteran user My current prediction is that I have 337 Posts |
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On 2004-07-04 07:22, MarkTripp wrote: Well put. Craig
Magician: Someone willing to spend $15 to learn how to make $1 disappear.
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big k New user 100 Posts |
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On 2004-07-04 07:22, MarkTripp wrote: I have read that book, I think I'm up to chapter 24 right now, I highly recommand that to any one whos has not read that book. big k |
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mdspark Special user 784 Posts |
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On 2004-07-04 07:22, MarkTripp wrote: No one is trying to lead anyone away from anything... BTW, why do you think there are soooo many denominations of Christianity (or other religions, for that matter)? No need to be defensive. Defensivness at least gives the appearance of a lack of faith...no flame intended. |
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MarkTripp Special user Michigan 618 Posts |
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No need to be defensive. Defensivness at least gives the appearance of a lack of faith...no flame intended. If this is an attempt at "mentalism", your act needs work. I am not defensive at all. If it is an attempt tp project feelings into me, more the pity. It is not defensive to proclaim "the good news" and to guide others to a Christ centered focus. It seems some have found this reply "haughty" Yet those accusing me of "fear" and being "defensive" are ok? Or telling someone to set themselves on fire? Yes those are moving the discourse forward.... Sigh... The only place where a free kick is legal folks is in Soccer. If you don't want my apples then don't shake my tree. But as you all wish... |
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Dr_Stephen_Midnight Inner circle SW Ohio, USA 1555 Posts |
I claim what I do is done by natural means...even on my advertizing.
Yet my fliers have been torn down by disgruntled youth ministers and similar folk...and not even when the performance would be in a church venue; I'm talking public coffee shops and such. As a Christian, a thinker, and a believer in democracy and live-and-let-live, I am wondering if we're entering a new Dark Age of sociopolitical 'Churchianity,' intolerance and deliberate ignorance. Steve
Dr. Lao: "Do you know what wisdom is?"
Mike: "No." Dr. Lao: "Wise answer." |
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mdspark Special user 784 Posts |
AMEN, Steve!
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MarkTripp Special user Michigan 618 Posts |
Ah... there is a comeback worthy of note.
Or is that too haughty as well? Perhaps, just perhaps, the concept that is being missed here is, "This isn't about what YOU want to do?" If we are honest with ourselves, mentalism and hypnosis really don't lend themselves well to a Gospel performance. Yes, you can justify and try and push the square peg in the round hole, but to what end? If you want to be a mentalist, then go do that, but don't expect to have much luck in the Gospel world. Moreover, you might want to try that prayer and fasting thing to try and see what the Lord wants you to do... ..or is even THAT too much to ask from those who want to deliver the LORD'S message, rather than their own? |
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Dr_Stephen_Midnight Inner circle SW Ohio, USA 1555 Posts |
One could easily say that about ALL magic Mark. In fact, one could say that about ALL forms of performance or ALL forms of 'pointless distraction.'
Personally, I don't think Christ intended us to be a bunch of dour Puritans, maintaining a glum, ascetic existence; looking for a sign of God's grace in nature, yet afraid to observe nature as being the realm of Satan. But if you DO feel that way, Mark, I advise you to cancel your bookings, burn your props, and do the 40 days of prayer and fasting to find out your true path. Magic tricks are not needed to teach the Gospel. They never have been. Arguing that magic is a 'viable tool' to teach Gospel can easily be written off as just another excuse to do magic; another excuse to do what you want. Steve
Dr. Lao: "Do you know what wisdom is?"
Mike: "No." Dr. Lao: "Wise answer." |
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Hypnotic Winter Special user Ireland 720 Posts |
I always say that magicians and Mentalists(that's me) Use little known methods that are entirely natural to accomplish what we do. for example I do some stuff that is just an illusion but then I'll do somthing that is perfectly real like hypnotising some one which is perfectly real, it kind of blurs the lines but I think my audience get the idea.
When your only reality is an illusion, then illusion is reality.
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Terry Holley Inner circle 1805 Posts |
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On 2004-07-11 10:47, MarkTripp wrote: If anyone checks out my earlier post (#5 in this thread), they can easily see that I disagree with the above statement about mentalism and the gospel. If your host and audience knows what to expect, the performance can be very positive, and a great opportunity to share the gospel. You just have to have the correct slant on what you are doing. Tery
Co-author with illusionist Andre' Kole of "Astrology and Psychic Phenomena."
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MarkTripp Special user Michigan 618 Posts |
But, and this is just a thought, perhaps it isn't about how YOU feel?
Perhaps it is about how the Church feels? Bottom line, most are not going to be comfortable with this line of performance. Why anyone would want to go against that is beyond me, but of course it is up to you. |
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