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Wel, this move is really designed for Kalooki only- a two deck game. I think they might play Kalooki in Canada. They used to call it Australian Rummy here as I recall but I can't really recall if that was the same game exactly. I will look up Tonk, I don't know it, thanks.
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Wel, this move is really designed for Kalooki only- a two deck game. I think they might play Kalooki in Canada. They used to call it Australian Rummy here as I recall but I can't really recall if that was the same game exactly. I will look up Tonk, I don't know it, thanks.


No they don't..
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Some of the casinos here have Kalooki competitions.

https://www.gentingcasino.com/casinos/ca......kalooki/
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Some of the casinos here have Kalooki competitions.

https://www.gentingcasino.com/casinos/ca......kalooki/


But that's not Canada
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Neither is the Arcadia Billiard Hall but Canadian hustlers played Kallooki there circa 1970s. The Canadian hustlers, such as Big Bill Werbeniuk and Cliff Thorburn would come over here once a year for a month or so for the World Snooker Championship and played snooker cash games and some Kallooki on the side at the Arcadia. They may play a different version of Kalooki in Canada: is Canadian Rummy played with two decks and Jokers? The only other Canadian I ever knew was a little French Canadian guy named Louie, who was a Con Man and he owes me five grand.
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There is an alternate spelling to Kalooki, which is "Kaluki".
In this part of the world, it's primarily a Caribbean game, and then (it seems) primarily a Jamaican game.

It is played in Canada, and indeed all of North America, as noted in the following write-up:


North American Kaluki

Many American card game books contain rules for Kaluki - for example there are rules for Kaluki in the USPCC Official Rules of Cards Games. If these brief descriptions are to be trusted, it seems that North American Kaluki is rather different from the European game. The major differences are as follows:

The pack includes four jokers - 108 cards in all.
15 cards are dealt to each player when two, three or four play; five players are dealt 13 cards each; six receive 11 cards each.
The requirement for an initial meld is 51 points, but cards built on other players' melds can be counted towards this requirement, provided that the player makes at least one new meld of his own.
Cards cannot be taken from the discard pile before have put down your initial meld. You can, however, take the top discard to use as part of your initial meld.
Aces can be counted as high or low (but not both at once), so A-K-Q and A-2-3 are valid runs, though 2-A-K is not.
Aces count 15 points. A joker in the hand of a player at the end counts 25 points.
Having made your initial meld you can reuse a melded joker by substituting a valid natural card for it - only one card is needed to take a joker from a set.
There is no pool or buying in. At the end of each hand the winner scores the total value of all the cards remaining in the hands of the other players.
Apparently there is no special score for Kaluki (melding all your cards in one turn).


In his Encyclopedia of Games, John Scarne describes a slightly different version of Kaluki played on the East Coast of the USA, with the following differences from the above game:
Aces count 11.
It is possible to meld a set of three or four jokers, counting them as worth 15 each, though it is usually unwise to waste jokers in this way.
When the cards are cut, the bottom card is shown; if it is a joker, the player cutting takes it and receives 14 cards in the deal to make a hand of 15.
Immediately after the deal, the dealer may take the face-up card and discard another in its place (but may not draw from the stock instead). Play then starts with the player to dealer's left.
Throughout the play, the previous discard can only be taken if it is used immediately in a meld.
Each hand is a separate event. The losers each pay the winner one cent for each card in their hands, except jokers, for which they have to pay two cents. These payments are doubled if the winner went Kaluki.
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Kalooki is normally played heads up or by four players seated around a small table, as a side game, in places like billiard halls, poker clubs, golf clubs, picnic areas at race tracks and so on but it is usually played for small stakes and so not worth the light as a rule. Most of time I play it for small stakes, for fun. Over the years however I have had few good touches playing wealthy businessmen on a regular basis. If you can find the right customer it tends to become a regular thing as opposed to a one-night stand. By small stakes I mean lets say one two four, which is £1 a hand £2 a Kalooki and £4 game. High stakes games of kalooki, like Gin, are hundreds of times higher stakes. Bones, if you are interested, PM and I will explain the move.
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I saved almost all of the videos that DOC shared.

Some of the moves were quite impressive to MY eyes, but then again I imagine that other viewing angles around the table might reveal some of the work.

All of his viewing angles were corrected in his 5 to 9 way mirror; I know that he saw to that.

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I saved almost all of the videos that DOC shared.

Some of the moves were quite impressive to MY eyes, but then again I imagine that other viewing angles around the table might reveal some of the work.


All of his viewing angles were corrected in his 5 to 9 way mirror; I know that he saw to that.
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However using a simple one way mirror, held upside down between one's legs exposes all of DOC's sleight of hand moves. This is the reason why DOC never plays in games where anyone is secretly holding a one-way mirror upside down between his legs.
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On Aug 6, 2020, DaveM wrote:

I saved almost all of the videos that DOC shared.

Some of the moves were quite impressive to MY eyes, but then again I imagine that other viewing angles around the table might reveal some of the work.


All of his viewing angles were corrected in his 5 to 9 way mirror; I know that he saw to that.
Gamblingman007


However using a simple one way mirror, held upside down between one's legs exposes all of DOC's sleight of hand moves. This is the reason why DOC never plays in games where anyone is secretly holding a one-way mirror upside down between his legs.


There's always going to be some guy at the table with a knee mirror...that's what people forget!
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Ice hockey?
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Difference between Hustlers/Gamblers and Demonstrators is this....... If you feel the need to frequently visit the gambling spot, you are the latter.
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Doc is mostly full of sh**
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I can stack 4 aces in 3 riffle shuffles. That has been around the horn. I tried the McDougall cull and stack but thought it would seem obvious. I spent a lot of time on it and always had to go slower than I thought would not get noticed. I'm not a card cheat. I like the patter possibilities of gambler vs magician.
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I can stack 4 aces in zero riffle shuffles.
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Tell us about it.
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See Steve Fortes Gambling Protection Series; there a few ways. In self-dealt heads-up games where mechanics are mainly applied today, I will say that the most common method of staking used the pickup. I used to use a weave in Hollywood Gin. Perhaps Gin and the like are the only sorts of games where one might want to stack four of kind anyhow.
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Interesting. Herb Zarrow showed me some pickups a long time ago. I don't really play but do 4-Ace tricks and the like with a gambling patter...Gin and Hold-Em seem to my memory susceptible to methods that don't need riffle-stacking. See, this is an interesting place.
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As I recall Herb demonstrates how to stack deep using a Zarrow.

Normally, however, there is no deep stacking in Gin rummy games because one is playing heads up as rule. In Gin games, the players are constantly forming melds and so at the end of each hand, it lends itself to culling and things like pickup stacking, weaving, or interlacing as I think some call it.

Gin is quite a different world than poker; it is, you might say, a gentleman's game.See Coffee Housing

http://rummytalk.com
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And aren't there pickup possibilities in Hold-em too. I mention Herb showing me some pickup ideas personally but he touches on the idea on his video.
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