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Obviously it is some cops fault somewhere.
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"He acknowledged government and academic studies have found high rates of traumatic injuries among people struck by less-lethal rounds."

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2020/j......und-dur/
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Isn't that the point of firing the less than lethal round? I mean if the situation has degraded to the point of having to use force all in all less than lethal options are better, but will still hurt. Nobody is going to stop if it doesn't hurt.

I mean do you want them to throw pillows at them?

What a silly way to frame the discussion.
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On Jun 25, 2020, R.S. wrote:

How many interactions did people of color have with police in 2019?


why is it relevant?

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Because it has direct bearing on the magnitude of the issue.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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How many murders are acceptable?
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On Jun 25, 2020, R.S. wrote:

How many interactions did people of color have with police in 2019?


why is it relevant?

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Because it has direct bearing on the magnitude of the issue.

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How many murders are acceptable?


Sort of depends what you mean by "acceptable." How many drunk driving deaths are "acceptable"? We still have cars. We still have alcohol. So I guess we "accept" thousands, let alone any nonzero number.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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I mean pleasant and agreeable.
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I'd say the only pleasant, agreeable number is zero.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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So the number is not the issue.
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New York's crime reporting last week was murders up 220% and other criminal activities up over 600%. I see defunding the Police and degrading them is working out well for New York citizens.
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I am not so sure how the defunding has impacted yet. The degrading however is in full swing.
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So the number is not the issue.


There is no "the issue." There is a multiplicity of issues. Your question was "What is the number beyond which things are not pleasant and agreeable?" Someone else's question might be "What is the number below which, while recognizing that improvements need to be made, it's not justified to to cause tens of millions of dollars in property damage and decimate poor communities' tax bases?"
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I don't know. What is the number that makes those "improvements" occur? The ball has always been in their court.
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On Jun 25, 2020, R.S. wrote:

How many interactions did people of color have with police in 2019?


why is it relevant?

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Ron


Because it has direct bearing on the magnitude of the issue.



There is no "the issue".
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

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I don't know. What is the number that makes those "improvements" occur? The ball has always been in their court.



I believe, though I'm not sure, that improvements have been implemented fairly consistently, and police violence/unjustified fatalities have been declining consistently if not annually.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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On Jul 21, 2020, tommy wrote:
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On Jul 18, 2020, LobowolfXXX wrote:
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On Jun 25, 2020, R.S. wrote:

How many interactions did people of color have with police in 2019?


why is it relevant?

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Ron


Because it has direct bearing on the magnitude of the issue.



There is no "the issue".


Well played, sir. It has direct bearing on the magnitude of an issue.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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On Jul 20, 2020, landmark wrote:
I don't know. What is the number that makes those "improvements" occur? The ball has always been in their court.



I believe, though I'm not sure, that improvements have been implemented fairly consistently, and police violence/unjustified fatalities have been declining consistently if not annually.


Let's see. Nationwide protests against police brutality, and the police response has been marked by even more instances of unprovoked police violence against protestors, bystanders and journalists even as they know they are being videoed. If that's an improvement, I hate to think about what the base line was here.
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I think the baseline was pretty bad in the 20th century, certainly pre-Rodney King.

With the prevalence of video and all in 2020, I wonder what the baseline was for arson and shoplifting.
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I appreciate your attempt to be even-handed, but can you understand how even post Rodney King things still suck, and that people have had it? It's not just about one death, horrific as Floyd's death was, but about the whole enchilada: corrupt law enforcement, corrupt courts, corrupt prisons, and I won't even get into the medical system, the corrupt financial system etc., the corrupt corporations, etc.

BTW, All quite independent of political party. On the contrary, when you hear the words "bi-partisan agreement" that's when you know you're really in trouble. It's a System Fail. If it were a computer program, you'd tear up the program and start from scratch.

The Powers That Be have created a situation where there's little left to lose for too many. It's a fairly historic moment. And there is *no one* in politics who is up to meeting it. The moment requires one of those once-in-a-generation leaders and s/he's nowhere to be seen. Instead mediocrity reigns everywhere.
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